Darrell Issa, richest man in Congress: "our poor somewhat the envy of the world."

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by jnpy!$4g3cwk, May 9, 2015.

  1. jnpy!$4g3cwk, May 9, 2015
    Last edited: May 9, 2015

    jnpy!$4g3cwk macrumors 65816


    Feb 11, 2010

    I guess after years of obsessing about Benghazi, Issa has decided to move on to other things.

    Well, I've only been poor in the U.S. -- in the other countries I've been to, it has been as a tourist, so, it is sometimes difficult to see what a citizen would experience. How about it? Anybody out there been impoverished in more than one country? Is Issa correct?
  2. SHNXX macrumors 68000

    Oct 2, 2013
    Darrell Issa, richest man in Congress: "our poor somewhat the envy of the wor...

    The poor in US undoubtedly has a nice life compared to the poor outside.
    In China, the second biggest economy in the world, the average peasant must work much harder to earn much less than the poor of America.
    In fact, beggars in America might make enough to be upper class in China, if it is true that a beggar who is well positioned in the right parts of town can bag more than 100 dollars per day.

    Regarding issa's wealth, how did he get so wealthy?
  3. citizenzen macrumors 65816

    Mar 22, 2010
    U.S. beggars can't magically transport themselves to spend that money in China. It really doesn't matter how much that $100 is worth in China, as it's going to be spent in the U.S. And if a U.S. beggar took their skill set of asking for handouts overseas, they'd quickly find themselves among the poorest of the Chinese.
  4. Meister Suspended


    Oct 10, 2013
    Citizenzen is right. That is one absurd comparison.
  5. SHNXX macrumors 68000

    Oct 2, 2013

    Although cost of living can be low in China, it is not low in major cities such as SH or BJ.
    100 dollars a day barely pays for rent and food in the area I'm currently in.
  6. Hieveryone macrumors 68040

    Apr 11, 2014
    I'm a fan of Darrell Issa no doubt. His extremism provides a good balance. I don't agree with him on many things, but it's important to have a balance of ideas in government.
  7. thekev macrumors 604


    Aug 5, 2010
    I would be so bored if you ever stopped posting.
  8. A.Goldberg macrumors 68020


    Jan 31, 2015
    I would argue most poor in America live better than the poor of much of the world. We have social programs to provide food, water, healthcare, education, etc. The poor in America have rights and freedoms. This is not the case everywhere obviously.

    This might be true to many Asian, African, and South American countries. Compared to some European countries, I'm not sure that would be true.

    To say that the poor in America already live better than most of the world, implying that no more resources should be given is a bit ridiculous.

    It's a contextual thing too. Some people/societies don't value money and power the same way the Western World/America does. Are we basing envy on wealth or satisfaction of life? Material items and finances don't necessarily equate to a more satisfying life. Pscyhologically I imagine it's a lot easier to be poor in a poor country rather than poor in a rich country.
  9. Eraserhead macrumors G4


    Nov 3, 2005
    I'd much rather be poor in Europe than America. And at least if you're poor in the developing world you can grow your own food.
  10. Bug-Creator macrumors 6502


    May 30, 2011
    Assuming, your goverment hasn't yet sold your land to some multinational...
  11. Happybunny macrumors 68000

    Sep 9, 2010
    IMO the poor of any western European state are far better off than the poor of the USA.
  12. Meister Suspended


    Oct 10, 2013
    Excellent post. People tend to forget that physical commodities is not all there is to life. A functioning legal system, rights and freedom are also a form of wealth.


    On one hand this is true. For the unemployed "poor", who are anchored within the systems of western european socialist socities life is very decent. In fact it's a lifestyle some people aim for. The government pays for housing, school, private tutors, transportation, entertainment, drugs, health care, furniture, utilities and discount cards so they can participate in various activities. Many unemployed people here are better off than the ones working.

    People on the other hand who fell out of this system for some reason are much worse off than in the US or even third world countries.
  13. nebo1ss macrumors 68030

    Jun 2, 2010
    if I have to be poor i want to be in a warmer climate.
  14. xmichaelp macrumors 68000


    Jul 10, 2012
    Rich guys in this country really try and prop up being poor and make it sound wonderful... Maybe they should try it? Being rich is hell after all with all the class warfare and such.
  15. SHNXX macrumors 68000

    Oct 2, 2013

    I don't think anyone is making the argument that being poor is better or as good as being rich.
  16. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

    Zombie Acorn

    Feb 2, 2009
    Toronto, Ontario
    Outside of Canada and Western Europe I'd probably agree. U.S. non working poor are carrying around 800 dollar cell phones and driving cars a lot of the time.

    I know a girl from Ireland who said a lot of people don't even bother to get out of their pajamas before commencing their day on the dole over there.
  17. Huntn macrumors P6


    May 5, 2008
    The Misty Mountains
    From personal travel, I've observed that the poor in the U.S. have it much better than the poor in the Phillipines, but is that a reason in itself to argue that the U.S. Poor have it too good? Moral standards can't be based on comparisons alone. For example I beat my wife only once a month instead of daily. Would that make me better than the daily-beater, less deserving of judgement? :p Seems like for those into rationalization this would provide a good reason to support GOP policies.
  18. Meister Suspended


    Oct 10, 2013
    It just makes you a cheap bastard who doesn't want to pay for a new belt every month.
  19. aaronvan Suspended


    Dec 21, 2011
    República Cascadia
    So you admit that Europe is part of the developing world?
  20. Happybunny macrumors 68000

    Sep 9, 2010
    I cannot know for Germany, but the above is in no way anything like the situation in the Netherlands.

    That easy street was closed off in the early 1990's.
  21. Eraserhead macrumors G4


    Nov 3, 2005
    No. I was talking about other countries...
  22. jnpy!$4g3cwk, May 10, 2015
    Last edited: May 10, 2015

    jnpy!$4g3cwk thread starter macrumors 65816


    Feb 11, 2010
    images graph healthcare as percentage of gdp

    Well, I have to disagree with you. For one thing, healthcare is very important to the poor, and, in my experience, healthcare for the poor sucks in the U.S.


    I don't know what you are implying from this anecdote.

    Here is an often-referenced graph. Not only is healthcare sucky for poor people in the U.S., but, public spending on healthcare would finance the whole system in many countries.

  23. VulchR macrumors 68020


    Jun 8, 2009
    The issue in the US is not whether the US poor are better off than the poor of other countries. The issue is whether the US –*the world's largest economy and the 11th richest nation per capita – can afford to educate, feed, and house its people with dignity. So far the answer appears to be no....
  24. NT1440 macrumors G5


    May 18, 2008
    I'd say we have all the ability in the world to do so....this nation structurally just doesn't give a **** about its citizens under the upper 2% cutoff.

    The money is there, the will is disgracefully absent.
  25. Dranix macrumors 6502a

    Feb 26, 2011
    left the forum
    Are you joking? The social security net in the usa is a sick joke compared to *all* european countries.

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