David Cameron says new online data laws needed

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  1. MacNut macrumors Core

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    I will start off by saying, what a douche bag.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-30778424

    You people across the pond better make sure this doesn't happen.
     
  2. skunk macrumors G4

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    They've already been doing this for years, just as the NSA have over there. They just want to legalise their universal snooping.
     
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  4. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    Seems to me that he's trying to protect citizens.

    That doesn't mean it's the best solution, but I don't think the term "douche bag" applies.
     
  5. MacNut thread starter macrumors Core

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    They might as well just shut off the internet. That is basically what he is proposing.

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    Protect how?
     
  6. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    Why?

    Even if everything I do on the net is recorded by the government and it wouldn't stop me from using and enjoying it.

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    I really don't think I need to explain it to you.
     
  7. MacNut thread starter macrumors Core

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    http://order-order.com/2015/01/12/digtal-dave-threatens-to-ban-snapchat/

    @citizenzen: read this http://boingboing.net/2015/01/13/what-david-cameron-just-propos.html
     
  8. skunk macrumors G4

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    Perhaps we should all adapt to this reality. Any expectation of privacy in electronic communication is illusory.
     
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    This is true. But who is putting that horse back into the barn.

    Citizenzen how would he go about doing this?
     
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  12. skunk macrumors G4

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    He does far too much of that already.
     
  13. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    I don't know why you're asking me this.

    But I would recommend using hardware and software.

    Yes. I would definitely use those two things.
     
  14. MacNut thread starter macrumors Core

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    So you are ok with breaking the internet so a government can gain control of it's citizens?

    If I was Google or Apple or Facebook I would just shut down show in these countries. If no information passes through there is nothing for governments to control.
     
  15. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    No. No. I'm in favor of implanting the internet into each human's brain so the government can completely control them.

    (ask me a ridiculous question, and you'll get a ridiculous answer)
     
  16. MacNut thread starter macrumors Core

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    You just said you are in favor of what Cameron wants to do. So how you say I am wrong in what would actually happen?

    How would Cameron get his way and not break the internet?

    And how is a back door protecting people? That would make people less secure.
     
  17. haxrnick macrumors 6502a

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    Can't believe I'm in agreement with citizenzen. :eek:
     
  18. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    Nowhere did I say I favor what he's doing.

    Please stop projecting.

    You're really bad at it.
     
  19. MacNut thread starter macrumors Core

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    So when you said he is trying to protect his citizens what did you mean? Can you elaborate?
     
  20. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    Don't rely on what MacNut says.

    He's leaping to conclusions.

    I don't favor net intrusion.

    I just don't think there's a realistic way to stop it.

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    I'm assuming that is what he'd say he is doing.

    (See? Now I'm projecting.)
     
  21. MacNut thread starter macrumors Core

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    There are plenty of ways to stop it, don't intact laws starting it. Encrypt everything on the net.
     
  22. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    I will encrypt my answer to you ....

    fjsfkv,av,t4-0trpgokf;lv l;vavop\0=4-0q4t5yq953opakvpfovr-0t03t0 gakvafv,af,ovqorv590y1u58y5qjgravfdmvfvqrvqg9-iq9gkvaopfbkfdbkm fmbtq43059uq58hgjatfibaifbaidfbm]95q90hqh]09bfbmkladbkgdf ,t4-0trpgokf;lv l;vavop\0=4-0q4t5yq953opakvpfovr-0t03t0 gakvafv,af,ovqorv590y1u58y5qjgravfdmvfvqrvqg9-iq9gkvaopfbkfdbkm fmbtq43059uq58hgjatfibaifbaidfbm]95q90hqh]09bfb ,t4-0trpgokf;lv l;vavop\0=4-0q4t5yq953opakvpfovr-0t03t0 gakvafv,af,ovqorv590y1u58y5qjgravfdmvfvqrvqg9-iq9gkvaopfbkfdbkm fmbtq43059uq58 hgjatfibaifbaidfbm]95q90hqh]09bfb

    You have the key, right?
     
  23. MacNut thread starter macrumors Core

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    Sure if you gave it to me. That's how encryption works. Both sides need to know the key. That's not hard to do tho.
     
  24. Sydde macrumors 68020

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    No, that is not how (most) encryption works. I use a program that generates two keys. I give you the public key, which you can use to encrypt content. Then I can decrypt it with the other, private key. This is also how PGP signatures work: I use my private key to generate a signature based on my text, then you can use your copy of my public key against the text to verify my signature (to verify that I did indeed write that).

    Single key encryption requires that I somehow get the key to you – sending it over the internets risks someone else capturing it as it goes by or sits on a mail server.

    Of course, Cameron wants to make that stuff all illegal, which means that the government will then be able to sell your personal information to AdSense and ClickBaiTopia – and, well, without encryption, online retailers would be put at a pretty big disadvantage. Meanwhile, the terrists will never, ever, be able to figure out any other means of communicating with each other that cannot be parsed by intel. Because, you know, this will work.
     
  25. MacNut thread starter macrumors Core

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    Isn't Gmail now encrypting email. How are they sending the keys?
     

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