Dean: "My view is that Fox News is a propaganda outlet of the Republican Party..."

Xtremehkr

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Until President Bush and top Republicans reaffirm their support for the Voting Rights Act, they should stop courting black voters and showing up in black churches, Democratic National Committee chairman Howard Dean said Sunday.

Dean, speaking in Chicago at a Rainbow PUSH Coalition conference, also labeled the Fox News Channel a propaganda machine and sharply criticized the Republican Party, which he said has yet to support re-authorizing certain provisions of the Voting Rights Act that expire in 2007.

"I think it's hypocritical for the Republicans to pretend to reach out to the African-American community unless they say they are going to reauthorize what gave the African-American community political power," Dean said in an interview. "I'd love to have the president say whether he's going to reauthorize the Voting Rights Act."

After barely registering a double-digit showing among black voters nationally in last fall's election, the Republican Party has intensified its efforts to recruit African-American supporters. Chairman Ken Mehlman is engineering the party's most aggressive outreach to black voters, frequently speaking in churches and to community groups in an effort to improve the party's performance among minority voters before the 2006 mid-term elections and the 2008 presidential race.

Dean said Republicans should not "pretend" to be genuinely interested in courting African-American voters until the party makes a clear statement on the act.

"The chairman of the Republican Party as you know has made a big deal about attracting African-American voters," Dean said to conference attendees. "And this is a litmus test. If you aren't going to support the extension of the Voting Rights Act, I don't know what right you have to go to a black church and show your face."

Dean raised the ire of many GOP leaders last week after issuing several sharp-barbed comments directed at Republicans. His comments have stirred criticism among several Democrats, too, who believe his rhetoric is detrimental to the party.

Dean's recent remarks drew a rebuke from Vice President Dick Cheney in an interview to be aired Monday on Fox News Channel's "Hannity & Colmes," according to the Associated Press.

Cheney called Dean "over the top" and "not the kind of individual you want to have representing your political party," according to the Associated Press.

Asked by a reporter Sunday to reply to Cheney's criticisms, Dean said: "My view is that Fox News is a propaganda outlet of the Republican Party and that I don't comment on Fox News." The response drew applause from the room.

Tracey Schmitt, spokeswoman for the Republican National Committee, said Sunday that anger should not be an agenda.

"Howard Dean can attack Republicans till he is blue in the face," Schmitt said in a telephone interview. "But we remain committed to growing and expanding the Republican Party. He can focus on throwing mud and making headlines, and we will continue to focus on making inroads in minority communities."

The five-day PUSH conference has drawn top political and civic leaders, educators and labor union officials from across the nation. Dean weighed in Sunday on voter's rights. Later in the day, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., gave a speech on improving education to compete in the global economy. Sen. John Edwards and former President Bill Clinton are scheduled to attend conference sessions on Monday.

The Rev. Jesse Jackson formed the Rainbow PUSH Coalition, a Chicago-based progressive organization that fights for social change, in 1971. Jackson led discussion Sunday on the 1965 Voting Rights Act, the landmark legislation that grew out of the civil rights movement.

Although the act is permanent, and the right to vote is protected by the 15th Amendment, certain provisions of the act were extended in 1982 and those parts expire in 2007 unless Congress re-authorizes the measure. These provisions include ones that ensure non-English speaking voters get assistance at polling places and another that requires jurisdictions with segregationist pasts to submit changes in election law to the U.S. Justice Department for approval.

The coalition is organizing a march and rally supporting renewal of some of the law's provisions on Aug. 6 in Atlanta, where President Lyndon Johnson signed the law 40 years ago. The group is leading a signature drive calling for the renewal of the act. Jackson said he plans to give President Bush a petition with 1 million signatures.
The emphasis is mine, of course.

Though this is not the most important point Dean made, it is finally real acknowledgment of the situation.

The section concerning the Republicans hollow courting of Black voters is much more important. I am glad that he is taking the fight back to the Republicans and vocally pointing out the hypocrisy of their claims.

If it weren't working, I seriously doubt the Vice President would be commenting. :D
 

ham_man

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There goes Dean sticking his foot in his mouth again. It is really starting to become a habit of his...
 

solvs

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ham_man said:
There goes Dean sticking his foot in his mouth again. It is really starting to become a habit of his...
How is he sticking his foot in his mouth? Is anything of what he said not true? I'm glad he's speaking out against them and saying what a lot of us are thinking and what many in the Democratic party will not. Wasn't that one of the biggest criticisms of Kerry? That whole "wimp" thing.

I guess the Neocons can call people unpatriotic and immoral for not going along with everything they say, even when they do the exact opposite. But Dean criticizes them for pandering to the religious right, not following through on promises, and misrepresenting what they're really doing... and suddenly he's a mud-slinger? :confused: Not that he isn't a nutjob, but sometimes that's just what is needed.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=131530
 

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solvs said:
How is he sticking his foot in his mouth? Is anything of what he said not true? I'm glad he's speaking out against them and saying what a lot of us are thinking and what many in the Democratic party will not. Wasn't that one of the biggest criticisms of Kerry? That whole "wimp" thing.

I guess the Neocons can call people unpatriotic and immoral for not going along with everything they say, even when they do the exact opposite. But Dean criticizes them for pandering to the religious right, not following through on promises, and misrepresenting what they're really doing... and suddenly he's a mud-slinger? :confused: Not that he isn't a nutjob, but sometimes that's just what is needed.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=131530
I agree. Watching the Fox News channel is like watching visual toxic waste. If I were a Republican, I would be embarassed and ashamed about a TV outlet that tops even Rush Limbaugh. Of course, I'm talking about O'Reilly here.
 

mischief

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solvs said:
Dean criticizes them for pandering to the religious right, not following through on promises, and misrepresenting what they're really doing... and suddenly he's a mud-slinger? :confused: Not that he isn't a nutjob, but sometimes that's just what is needed.
Mudlinger?

No.

Muck-raker. It's important to realize that the far-right has gone so long unopposed in the Propoganda arena that even those on the left will follow through with a knee jerk response if anyone calls them (the neocon and corporatist right) on being duplicitous, pandering slimeballs with all the moral fiber of a body-fluid stained hassock.

I say all Dean really need is a George Carlin opening act.
 

Dont Hurt Me

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i have to tell you i am really enjoying howard dean run the democratic party in to the ground
Dean is just telling it like it is. Fox is a puppet of the Right wing extreme republicans. And the Democratic party is allready in the ground and has been for years backing all the loonie toons.
 

mischief

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Dont Hurt Me said:
Dean is just telling it like it is. Fox is a puppet of the Right wing extreme republicans. And the Democratic party is allready in the ground and has been for years backing all the loonie toons.
Loony Tunes?

When did the DNC last have a candidate with half the charisma of any of Mel Blancs many characters?

The DNC has 2 problems:

They try to be all things to all people. Polite, intelligent, soft spoken, Politically correct, non-aggressive, etc. This means that they function like neutered milquetoast freshman nerds. Too much comittee thinking and not enough strategy.

They consistently choose embalmed beurocrats and what, for all the world appear to be back room academics still blinking in the glare of actual sunlight as their canidates.

Who would you vote for just on stage appeal?

The nerd?

or the Jock?

or..... (god help us all) the hippie who stumbled on stage at the last minute, Bong in hand.
 

stubeeef

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Dean and the dems telling the repubs to get out of black churches! Heck, that should be an example of "hypocrisy" in the dictionary. After that in the first paragraph, I stopped reading, sounded like it was gonna be another "insert foot into mouth" thing. I admit FOX has some bias, just find it hard that others won't admit (didn't during the election either) that CBS, and others do. Heck even they admit it about themselves.

But I must admit, the more dean talks the better I feel about the next round, I like the moderate repubs like McCain.
 

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Xtremehkr said:
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The emphasis is mine, of course.

Though this is not the most important point Dean made, it is finally real acknowledgment of the situation.

The section concerning the Republicans hollow courting of Black voters is much more important. I am glad that he is taking the fight back to the Republicans and vocally pointing out the hypocrisy of their claims.

If it weren't working, I seriously doubt the Vice President would be commenting. :D
He is so right it's not funny.
 

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The GOP response on Dean's comments are typical of tactics used against other Democrats who speak out in a forthright manner. It was the Republican talking points of the day to have Gore fitted for a straightjacket because he raised his voice and spoke with passion about the lies the administration was telling around Iraq. Their tactic is simple, distort the message from the other side and attack the messenger. What you won't see is any talk about the facts from the Republican establishment. For instance, how many elected officials on the Republican side are Black or Latino? How about these figures:

The problem with all the equivocation is that it obscures a simple fact that requires exposure and discussion in this country: Dean was right. Ninety nine percent of Republicans in the state legislatures in all 50 states, and in Congress in Washington DC, are white. Even in states and districts with large minority populations, the Republican representatives for those places are almost uniformly white Christians.

Of 3,643 Republicans serving in state legislatures across the country, only 44 of them are minorities, amounting to 1.2%. Texas, with a minority population of 47%, has 106 Republicans in the state legislature. There are exactly zero African Americans and exactly zero Hispanics serving in that body as Republicans. In Washington, 274 of the 535 elected Senators and Representatives are Republican. Exactly five are minorities.

Of course, there are ethnic and religious minorities within the rank and file of the GOP, but every demographic analysis of the party’s makeup clearly shows the vast majority of Republicans fit exactly into the description offered by Mr. Dean. His point, by the way, was not that white Christians are bad people. His point was that, in this pluralist society made up of so much diversity, the Republican Party does not represent the true face of this country. He was also pointing out that the GOP has been taken over by that small, radical minority of white Christians who believe separation of church and state is evil, and who believe Biblical law is a better tool of governance than that pesky Constitution....
William Rivers Pitt at Truthout.org

Is Dean right about Fox News - absolutely! The right-wing maybe successful in getting its mantra about Dean putting his "foot in his mouth" across through a supine media, but it doesn't mean he is wrong.
 

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stubeeef said:
But I must admit, the more dean talks the better I feel about the next round, I like the moderate repubs like McCain.
McCain doesn't stand a chance. Why? Because if he does run, the extreme right will blackball him like they did in 2000. I still can't believe that McCain turned around and supported Bush in '04 after all the lies and crap that Karl Rove spread about him during the '00 primaries.
 

IJ Reilly

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A thing that may be true but you aren't supposed to talk about because some people might be offended is called what? All together now, class...

P-O-L-I-T-I-C-A-L C-O-R-R-E-C-T-N-E-S-S

Very good, class! :)
 

takao

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i just _have_ to chime in with the current situation of soap-oper... erm politics in austria:

first (very)quick round up of the last months:
ultra right wing party FPÖ (jörg haider) splits up into moderates and ultra right wing (called "deutschtümler" because of their close relation ship to not so nice parts of history.. other name :"the brown wing")
moderates stay in government with the conservatives (övp "the blacks") but the ultra right wing doesn't liek that and starts to interfere where every possible to foul it up for the seperate new party (which really got slim,slim margin) with voting against everything because afterall we have the free mandate

so nwo the kicker: just after a hefty crisis was over because 2 of those "brown wing" idiots said something pretty close to history revisionism of the thrid reich episode which is sinc e1947 forbidden as an public person in the media etc. (like for example downplaying the numbers of casulties or other parts of the holocaust) courts investigated etc. but left both unharmed

so and now guess what just happend: one (he's meber of the 'lower house' or something similiar) just said in an interview with perhaps one of the most liberal newspapers in the country _this_:

"Es gab Gaskammern, aber nicht im Dritten reich. Sondern in Polen. So steht es auch in Schulbüchern. Ich habe nie gesagt, dass ich prinzipiell Gaskammern anzweifle."
to english:
"There have been gas chambers, but not in the Third Reich. They were in Poland. It's written like that in the schoolbooks. [comment: not in mine] I've never said that i principally doubt gas chambers"

and now the outcome:
*interview printed ->
*Outrage across nearly all political parties (except the "brown wing" of course)
*civil court investigating because he broke the '47 law. possible penalties range from 1 year to life sentence (anthing more than 5 is unlikly in this case though)
*on top of that a military court is investigating as well because he has been a colonel of the army untill 5 years ago and untill next year is somehow insured under military law or something)
*his immunity will be very likely be called "void" because he is from vienna and thanks to our political system the vienna "state parliament" will decide about that... (the parliament there is clearly in the hands of the left-wing parties)

finally one of those idiots who are/were singing the german hymn in those weapon-fraternities (those with swords etc.) will pay the price... ahhh the sweet taste...

edit: what i forgot was: compared to the (brown) mud/dirt thrown around here that stuff from dean was "children birthday party" like (sadly that idiom doesn't translate all to well)
 

stubeeef

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I still can't believe that McCain turned around and supported Bush in '04 after all the lies and crap that Karl Rove spread about him during the '00 primaries.
Probably cause he had been working in the senate for years, and knows of kerry.
 

Xtremehkr

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Wesley Clark supports Dean.

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MANCHESTER — Retired Gen. Wesley Clark yesterday charged that bungled foreign policy has hurt the U.S. military and its morale.

Clark, a Democratic Presidential hopeful last year, said the armed forces under President Bush have suffered a lack of leadership in Iraq and Afghanistan.

“We believe in an all-volunteer force and we expect him to have the leadership to guide our foreign policy without wrecking the institutions that keep us safe,” Clark told about 150 activists and powerbrokers at the Manchester City Democrat’s annual Flag Day dinner at the Radisson Hotel-Center of New Hampshire.


Retired Gen. Wesley Clark shakes the hand of Maria Wells while meeting with people during the 2005 Manchester Democratic Flag Day Dinner at the Center of New Hampshire Sunday night. (TOM THIBEAULT/UNION LEADER)
For the fourth consecutive month, the Army failed to reach its recruiting goals in May, according to the Associated Press. The largest of the three services, it made 75 percent of its goal of 6,700.

Clark, a West Point graduate and the former Supreme Allied commander of NATO, said he has heard from a number of soldiers who worry about eroding support for their mission.

“We’re behind the war, but the country is not behind us,” Clark said he’s been told.

Clark said the U.S. needs to go back to working with allies to build consensus for its foreign policy. A critic of the Iraq war, he said force should be used “only, only, only as a last resort.”

The wide-ranging speech struck campaign-esque notes, as Clark also called for improved education systems, better preparation for China’s emergence in the world market and an improved health care system.

He stood behind Democratic National Chairman Howard Dean, who has been criticized by fellow party members for making comments that were perceived as inflammatory.

“I’m proud of Howard Dean. I’m proud of our party,” Clark said. “I’m proud of the fact that we are Americans speaking out.”


He said at a press availability that he supports New Hampshire’s first-in-the-nation primary and praised state voters as deserving their task.

“I loved it and I would recommend it to anyone,” Clark said of New Hampshire’s primary.

At-large Alderman Mike Lopez, a retired Army master sergeant, said he agreed with Clark’s concerns about the armed forces.

He pointed to Veterans’ Administration information that showed 289,564 people had left the military in 2004, plus 62,997 so far in 2005. He said he worries it will be difficult to replace them.

“There are major concerns because if we don’t get the volunteers, the U.S. is going to have to do something,” Lopez said.

He added he’s not surprised people are choosing other career paths: “Unless you’ve been there, war is hell,” he said.


Also last night, Sylvio Dupuis, Manchester’s mayor for 1972 to 1975, was honored for his lifetime contribution to the city.

Judy Reardon, the former Gov. Jeanne Shaheen legal counsel, was given the C. Arthur and Lillian Soucy Award for local and state work.

Bonnie Doherty, a school teacher and local Democratic volunteer, received the Henry and Mary Sullivan Award for commitment to the Democratic party.
And aside from supporting Dean, he brings up some very important information concerning how current policy is affecting our military. Bush has been a disaster for the military and our reputation in the world.

Finally, the Democrats are starting to work together in order to get the real story out there.
 

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takao said:
were singing the german hymn in those weapon-fraternities (those with swords etc.) will pay the price... ahhh the sweet taste...
I hadn't realized until just recently that schlagende Verbindungen were still around. Also, they are like Harvard and Yale in that their members tend to float to the top not necessarily due to skill but for their social connections. A friend in Munich told me that it's not uncommon to see board meetings were more than a few members have scars on their faces.

Sort of scary really that such groups have such power. It's good to see though that this guy is paying a price for flaunting the law.
 

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Hannity & Colmes is a news program? I thought it was a political talk show, and now I learn that Colmes is a right-winger. Hmmm.

While I see myself more as a conservative person than a Republican, and certainly can't see myself in any way as a NeoCon, it strikes me that I've probably done a helluva lot more honest work in my life than Dean ever thought of. And I'll match my IQ against his, any day in the week.

And since when is the "black community" monolithically liberal and solely the property of the Democratic Party? Dean's saying, "These are OUR people, and you Republicans can't have them."

'Rat
 

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Desertrat said:
Hannity & Colmes is a news program? I thought it was a political talk show, and now I learn that Colmes is a right-winger. Hmmm.
Actually, Colmes is pretty moderate, and only gets in about 10 words a show. Fair and balanced, indeed....

And since when is the "black community" monolithically liberal and solely the property of the Democratic Party? Dean's saying, "These are OUR people, and you Republicans can't have them."

'Rat
I don't recall Dean saying that. He's simply saying that if the Republicans want to go out recruiting black voters (which they're perfectly free to do), they should at least back policies that would benefit said black voters.
 

mischief

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Thomas Veil said:
Yeah, like quit starting wars.
Nah. They'll just find a way to inflate the GI with something more interesting than a "simple" Draft.... Like offering time in the Army in place of time in Federal Pens..... :rolleyes: (Either way your ass belongs to the USA).
 

Lyle

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Hannity & Colmes is a news program? I thought it was a political talk show...
It's a moot point. The Vice President, in an interview, made some comments about Dean's recent behavior and some reporter asked Dean if he had a reply to those comments. Does it really matter what the context was? I mean, if it had been, say, Dan Rather or Brian Williams interviewing Cheney when Cheney made those comments about Dean, would Dean then think that they warranted a reply?

Dean was speaking to a sympathetic audience at a Rainbow PUSH coalition conference, and he decided to take a pot shot at FOX News as a way of dodging the question. I don't see what the big hoopla is all about.