Decline in society, not NRA, responsible for gun deaths

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    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/opin...omen-voters-myword-051416-20160513-story.html
    society is in a way in the dumps.
     
  2. steve knight macrumors 68020

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    rattle rattle boo hoo sounds like a right wing family values piece. Jkcerda your getting desperate. you need to work on
    your clothing
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    nice compensator but it's not safe to carry a gun w/o a trigger guard my friend
     
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    Pity there's "no such thing as society", as neoliberals like Thatcher and Reagan pointed out.
     
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    71% of black babies born out of wedlock wtf??
     
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    Yeah,disagree with that part of the article .
     
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    most of it sounds like going to church in a conservative part of town.
     
  8. Macky-Mac macrumors 68030

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    well despite your doom and gloom attitude, deaths from gun violence have been dropping for decades, something your article simply ignores......and that drop is especially true here in California where we have strong gun control laws;

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    People who decry the "decline in society" are usually moral scolds looking to blame some aspect of society they find objectionable—out-of-wedlock birth rates, divorce rates, etc.

    One note about the statistic regarding the number of black children born out of wedlock. The OS piece notes these families as "fatherless family units," but the statistic he's referring only tracks the number of "marital births" compiled through birth certificates.

    In other words, the father could be supporting the family, but he's not reflected on the birth certificate.

    It's an interesting statistic, but the author takes it too far to argue that this means that 71 percent of families are made of unwed mothers.
     
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    About Chicago:

    Violence is occurring at levels unseen for years. In the first quarter of 2016, 141 people were killed, up from 82 last year, according to police department data. The number of shootings surged to 677 from 359 a year earlier. The city is on track to have more than 500 killings this year, which would make this just the third year since 2004 that Chicago topped that figure.
     
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    How are the numbers In Detroit or Chicago?
     
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    If you are a father and aren't there to be put on the birth certificate you better either be deployed or in some life threatening situation, otherwise, I think it's safe to assume you either aren't married or soon won't be married.
     
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    Especially when the mom's school age and a kid herself.
     
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    Another opinion piece based on what exactly, no facts? Yep, good luck with that one. Society for the most part is good, spin merchants and propaganda organizations like the NRA on the otherhand are society's cancers and are responsible for many avoidable deaths from guns.
    Now skedaddle, go back to reading literary dregs.
     
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    about Chicago - from wikipedia, here's a chart showing annual homicides in Chicago over time. As it clearly shows, murders are currently lower than 20 years ago.....despite the current spike you mention

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    for Chicago, see above ....I'm going out to dinner so I'm not going to spend the time hunting for one specific to Detroit.......but here's a chart showing the national trend (report below from Pew Research)


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    (maybe it's just YOUR neighborhood that's gone bad :p )

     
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    And here I thought it was 70%. Thank you oh wise enlightened opinion piece. :eek:
    This kind of s--- shouldn't be entertained by the forums. There's free speech and then there's absolute stupidity. Close this thread, mods.
     
  18. APlotdevice macrumors 68040

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    "boohoo, life today isn't like what I saw on Leave it to Beaver."
     
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    it wasn't then either moths little helper and all. but hey back then you could beat your children or rape your wife without getting in trouble for it so there is that.
     
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    My father is on my birth certificate. He was never part of my life.
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    Exactly. This glorious utopia where family life was always happy and carefree that so many conservatives seem to believe in is nothing but a Hollywood fantasy.
     
  21. jkcerda thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Same here
     
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    yep my dad was strange so my mom married another late and we moved a lot. poor as all get out and I did not know not to get adopted by him.
     
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    Some big differences to compare here, which I'm sure you'll blow off somehow.
    - An entire state vs. a city proper. In Chicago, you can just drive a few minutes outside of town and hit the gun store.
    - Chicago and Illinois probably don't have near the hardware restrictions that California does.

    But what is oddly noted, is that according to ZombieAcorn, shootings and deaths in Chicago have gone way up this year. And less than two years after concealed carry permits began to be issued in that state? SO WEIRD!! Concealed carry allowed, and shootings and deaths go up! Must be all that self defense going on!
     
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    How many permits have actually been issued?
    In Chicago. Just like many other cities it's mostly thugs taking each other out.
     

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