Deep Fakes, A New Threat in Politics

Huntn

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A new threat to the Democratic process, is when a real person’s face is pasted on someone else to create a fake message that is tried to pass off as authentic to fool people. Apparently this is not so hard. You know this will be used to fool people in the next election.

My question is how will we handle this to not squelch freedom of expression, free speech? I believe there needs to be legislation, but it needs to be clear cut. It is clear that the media outlets should be responsible for policing their content.

This CNN article illustrates discusses the issue and shows several examples of deep fakes:
Why it's getting harder to spot a deepfake video
https://www.cnn.com/videos/business/2019/06/11/deepfake-videos-2020-election.cnn/video/playlists/business-news/


Deep Fake Basics

How and why deepfake videos work — and what is at risk
https://www.csoonline.com/article/3293002/deepfake-videos-how-and-why-they-work.html

Deepfakes are fake videos or audio recordings that look and sound just like the real thing. Once the bailiwick of Hollywood special effects studios and intelligence agencies producing propaganda, like the CIA or GCHQ's JTRIG directorate, today anyone can download deepfake software and create convincing fake videos in their spare time.
So far, deepfakes have been limited to amateur hobbyists putting celebrities' faces on porn stars' bodies and making politicians say funny things. However, it would be just as easy to create a deepfake of an emergency alert warning an attack was imminent, or destroy someone's marriage with a fake sex video, or disrupt a close election by dropping a fake video or audio recording of one of the candidates days before voting starts.


The Mark Zuckerberg Deepfakes Are Forcing Facebook to Fact Check Art
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/pajvq9/mark-zuckerberg-deepfake-facebook-misinformation-moderation-satire
 

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I have been aware of the technology for a while now, but honestly it scares the crap out of me - so I try to ignore the potential. It is only a matter of time...for now, we have all these older Politicians who can barely understand a PDF.
 

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It IS a big threat, no question about it. If many were duped by simple photoshopped images on FB, you could only imagine how convincing these deep fakes could be!!!
 
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this "big threat" comes from people who dont take time to understand exactly what the politician or official has done and said over time.
a doctored video of obama saying something he doesn't represent: not a threat. obama never a hater.
a doctored video of speaker mccarthy saying something he doesn't represent: not a threat. mccarthy always a hater.
we are what we have done and said over a long period of time. not just in one piece of social media.

yes, this kind of doctored video is a threat. because most people dont take time to examine who their heroes are.

rump has said it best: (he) loves the uneducated. direct quote.
the alt right and right GOP will be galvanized more than ever. oh boy. we will be in for a ride.
just wait until rump and 1st daughter make their own cable news network post election defeat 2020 november.
lots of popcorn binging in disbelief with the altered videos/photos that will be merely presented as "someone posted this" and not taking responsibility for vetting it.

guest star: conway with her alternative facts.
 
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The US has managed to reach an austistic-savant level Culturally: We can do some things super well - new technologies, advanced marketing practices...yet, overall we are not really with it.
 
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It will provide politicians with fresh cover to hide behind: “No, no, no, I never said that. It is one of those damn ‘deep fake’ things.”
but it will lag by a year or so before tech to spot doctored videos is available.
im not actually overly concerned about this.
it won't change the narrative that's already in play.

it will be used by the USA military and its "allies" to give "doctored proof" that, for example, such and such a Middle Eastern nation state has "verified" a video and has "made it available" to the USA military, to give the USA cover to bomb ports and other facilities.
[doublepost=1560648253][/doublepost]art doesnt reflect reality any more, art becomes the new reality.
conway's alternative facts becomes reality.

wow.
 
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You just need to be smarter about who one supports politically. It shouldn’t be rocket science. That said too many people won’t pay enough attention.
 
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This morning on NPR, they were discussing this, and in Congressional testimony, a review of online videos, 12000 fake videos were discovered, 97% were pornography.

However, the 3% depending on if they are satire, slanderous, humor, art, or politically motivated- slander and political motivation are the problem areas.

The damage that could be done to people’s reps may far exceed the later acknowledgement that a particular video was fake and might be covered by slander laws. I could see those laws being updated with more serious penalties.

My primary concern is the immediate, irreversible damage if fake videos change the outcome of an election. This would undermine the democratic process. It would be easy to show that a video influenced people, just by the number of times it was viewed, but it would be impossible to say with certainty that there was enough influence to change the outcome. An arbitrary formula could be created to determine the number of minds that were swayed, but this still would not be accurate, but it could be enough to invalidate an election. But then, where would we go from there?

This cincern places emphasis on preventing such a video from being released, and I don’t see a way to do that without draconian enforcement.


Can we just say Trump is a deep fake?


I like this deep fake
https://gfycat.com/goodshockedalaskankleekai
I wish Trump was and just a bad dream. :oops::(
What is the fake part of the video you linked to, I assume the person’s face?
 

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However, the 3% depending on if they are satire, slanderous, humor, art, or politically motivated- slander and political motivation are the problem areas.
The damage that could be done to people’s reps may far exceed the later acknowledgement that a particular video was fake and might be covered by slander laws. I could see those laws being updated with more serious penalties.
I mean, really? I am pretty sure that this video (slanderous, dangerous, awful) swayed more votes than any fake on FB.

 

LordVic

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the scary thing with deepfakes is it can be done with anyone with a computer and an nvidia GPU.

I tried my hand at it. it was... interesting.
 

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I remember seeing a video of Obama a while back which was pretty disturbing - means you can literally put words into anyone's mouth! As always the solution is the relatively simple-sounding teaching people to be skeptical and do their research - if only it were that easy IRL... Unfortunately a lot of people will automatically agree with Obama because they associate with him.
 

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Doesn't sound like them though. I don't see this being used in politics much aside from the Pelosi video. Politicians on both sides already say enough stupid stuff as if they're high on drugs.
 

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Doesn't sound like them though. I don't see this being used in politics much aside from the Pelosi video. Politicians on both sides already say enough stupid stuff as if they're high on drugs.
Stupid is human and we can all relate.
Treasonous is criminal and the pitchforks come out.