Defense Secretary Jim Mattis resigns

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More chaos and diversion from Trump. And he’s freaking out because talk radio and Fox News are upset over the government funding showdown.

Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump)
12/20/18, 4:21 PM
General Jim Mattis will be retiring, with distinction, at the end of February, after having served my Administration as Secretary of Defense for the past two years. During Jim’s tenure, tremendous progress has been made, especially with respect to the purchase of new fighting....
Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump)
12/20/18, 4:21 PM
....equipment. General Mattis was a great help to me in getting allies and other countries to pay their share of military obligations. A new Secretary of Defense will be named shortly. I greatly thank Jim for his service!
Paul Farhi (@farhip)
12/20/18, 4:27 PM
.⁦‪@CNN‬⁩ reporting that Mattis was fired by Trump, and is not retiring. "Let's be very clear: He's being pushed out," said reporter ⁦‪@barbarastarrcnn‬⁩.

 
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Why would he stay when his opinion is contrary to his boss? In regards to getting out of Syria. And now Afghanistan.
 

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Why would he stay when his opinion is contrary to his boss? In regards to getting out of Syria. And now Afghanistan.
Kind of mind blowing that Trump thinks anyone will believe Mattis is retiring. No one could read this letter and think it was anything other than a resignation over policy disagreements. Mattis said he appreciated the opportunity to serve the nation and men and women in uniform. Nowhere in the letter does he thank Trump for the opportunity to serve him.
 

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The way the letter reads to me is that General Mattis is leaving of his own accord and in concert with his own beliefs of how the US foreign policy should be shaped, which is not the same as the Presidents. Basically, he's quitting because he can no longer persuade the President to see things differently.
 
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The way the letter reads to me is that General Mattis is leaving of his own accord and in concert with his own beliefs of how the US foreign policy should be shaped, which is not the same as the Presidents. Basically, he's quitting because he can no longer persuade the President to see things differently.
Right, this certainly sounds like someone who has spent two years trying to fight against the president’s baser impulses and has finally had enough.

 

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Absolutely. I think this is a good thing. Trump's instincts to get out of Syria and now Afghanistan is the right way. Despite what the neocons and the newly hawkish Democrats say. That last part is fun to watch. Mia Farrow is now a warmonger?
 
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The way the letter reads to me is that General Mattis is leaving of his own accord and in concert with his own beliefs of how the US foreign policy should be shaped, which is not the same as the Presidents. Basically, he's quitting because he can no longer persuade the President to see things differently.
The politest way possible to state that Trump won't even listen to his own generals.
 

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Is this the first cabinet secretary/senior official to resign over policy disagreements?

I wonder how long it will be before Trump starts slamming Mattis on Twitter.
 

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I'm quite aware. IMO that only makes the problem worse. We have a rogue failed businessman as president who won't listen to his own counsel, his own generals or his own staff.
https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-criticized-for-breaking-longstanding-american-tradition-of-remaining-in-middle-eastern-countries-indefinitely

https://babylonbee.com/news/disappointed-soldier-was-looking-forward-to-hanging-out-in-syria-for-another-20-30-years

Are you actually defending our FAILED policies in the Middle East and the generals who have prosecuted them for the past two decades?
 
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Pulling out of endless and unproductive wars is treasonous?

Did we not learn the lesson of Vietnam yet?

Washington once warned about foreign entanglements. I guess he was a traitor, too.
 
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Watching the congress floor... it's like watching ants, mice or some other diminutive animal walking around in suits. All style and no substance.

There will be no wall, Trump is an idiot, and I have no doubt Syria is a nail in the coffin of Mattis' tenure with Trump.

One would question why anyone would serve under a complete moron like Trump in the first place, but regardless... here we are.
 
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One would question why anyone would serve under a complete moron like Trump in the first place, but regardless... here we are.
I agree and wonder the same thing about his cabinet members. But I like to believe that Mattis did it for his country, not for the President. He likely wanted to try and bring some balance and sensibility and to keep the military from being used inappropriately as best he could. It's clear now after the Syria announcement that he is no longer able to persuade the President any longer.
 

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I agree and wonder the same thing about his cabinet members. But I like to believe that Mattis did it for his country, not for the President. He likely wanted to try and bring some balance and sensibility and to keep the military from being used inappropriately as best he could. It's clear now after the Syria announcement that he is no longer able to persuade the President any longer.
Show me one general who didn't advocate for more war? It's a hammer looking for a nail. Is more war always the right answer?
 

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Foreign policy is one which Trump supporters don't care about, or you wouldn't see condemnation. The politicians speaking out know this. They won't suffer backlash.
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Are you f*cking kidding me?

Congress didn't even authorize the Syrian war. It is an illegal war already started by Obama after Congress said no.

I would love to see Congress declare war on Syria. No way will it happen.
The war he started too late? The war he didn't do enough on? LOL.
 

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Foreign policy is one which Trump supporters don't care about, or you wouldn't see condemnation. The politicians speaking out know this. They won't suffer backlash.
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The war he started too late? The war he didn't do enough on? LOL.
Trump ran on a platform of getting out of the these wars. This isn't new.

Antiwar voters would have voted for Sanders because he had the same policy.
 
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Anyone keeping score? Whats the count on how many people either left or got booted from this administration? Is it a record yet?