DELL: "We're obviously not competing very well"

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  1. MacBytes macrumors bot

    Jul 5, 2003
  2. zap2 macrumors 604


    Mar 8, 2005
    Washington D.C
  3. Photorun macrumors 65816


    Sep 1, 2003
    Wow, where does one start with this article after reading it? I mean, making fun of Dell is like fish in the barrel. Beats me why so many PC lusers actually think they make a good product in the first place.
  4. winmacguy macrumors 68020


    Nov 8, 2003
    New Zealand
    All I can say is How times have changed!:D ;)

    Edit: I love this snip <For Dell’s part, they refuse to provide sales figures or market share numbers for their Dell DJ music player, which is probably a smart move. After all, if you can’t say anything nice…> Ouch!:D :cool:
  5. Lacero macrumors 604


    Jan 20, 2005
    Too funny. They tried giving away Dell DJs on Oprah's Favorite Things. It was so funny to see Oprah make little to no mention of how it was her 'favorite' thing, when the prior year, she was gushing over the 3G iPods.
  6. SummerBreeze macrumors 6502a


    Sep 11, 2005
    Chicago, IL
    What, the Dell Dj isn't selling? Even with that ugly blue screen, cheap plastic casing and the backing of a company that is experiencing a steady decline in profits? Who knew!?!
  7. Lacero macrumors 604


    Jan 20, 2005
    Was it plastic? Haha. :p And here I thought it was made of metal.
  8. qtip919 macrumors 6502

    Jul 24, 2002
    Its a dangerous thing when a company like Dell begins thinking about targeting Apple to get more investors to look their way.

    Remember, there isnt some magic potion Apple uses to make products, its just simple prioritization, open minds and a bit of luck - no one over there is any more or less capable of doing great work than anyone over in Dell. The businesses are just completly different...for now...

    Dell can do the exact same thing Apple does now if they want to - it will just take alot of money and restructuring the company and lots of new hiring practices, etc. etc.

    I believe this looks like Dell is considering major management restructuring and "borrowing" some of Apple's process.

    Dell doesnt make "bad" products...they make products that sell and are exactly what their target audience expected...(note: I have a Dell D600 laptop and its not that fact, its a lot more stable then most PCs)...its just that the hardware design is generally disgusting for Dell computers...however, most people who use my Dell laptop think its "cool"...mainly because none of them have laptops...
  9. NickFalk macrumors 6502


    Jun 9, 2004
    With all due respect, that's just nonsense. While Apple is a company with its share of faults there is no doubt that they have a few things that actually seperates them from the masses.

    1.) They have a CEO which seems to be a cross between a megalomaniac dictator and Walt Disney (hey wait, that's the same thing isn't it). Jobs is a CEO that actually seems to believe*in something rather than just pushing numbers around on a spreadsheet.

    2.) They have a world class industrial designer in Jonathan Ive. No matter how many people you hire there are only so many geniuses around.

    3.) They've been pretty bullheaded about their design philosophy the last 7 years or so, even when time's weren't as dandy as they are now.

    I mean it's not like other companies haven't tried to mimic Apple. Heck Sony has a fairly strong computer design with their VAIO-series. They also have the marketing power, they just don't sell particularly well.

    For Dell to actually modle themselves after Apple would mean throwing everything that have made them the worlds largest PC manufacturer on the boat. Focusing on design rather than quantity/price is bound to increase expenditure which means the hardware will have to retail at a higher price-point. They can't really differenciate between a "design-label" and a "bargain-label" as you can't build a brand to include these two polar oposites at the same time.

    So Dell's problem is that they will always be forced to charge lower than then next company, something that I believe will eventually force them to move almost all of their business to Asia.

    Apple will never be able to sell the amounts of computers Dell are, as their whole business-model is catered towards a higher cost/better design market. A niché with the possibility of treat financial rewards if you do right, as Apple obviously are doing at the moment.

    Apple could wind up in trouble if a few of the following things happened:
    1.) Their designs just didn't register with the buyers for a prolonged time.
    2.) Their marketshare dipped so low that the press simply didn't bother with them anymore causing a downwards spiral to bankruptcy.
  10. Sun Baked macrumors G5

    Sun Baked

    May 19, 2002
    Everybody has been about market share the past decade in the computer business, cutting costs and waging price wars.

    It's been a ugly business to be a PC company.

    Apple really hasn't been fighting a price war, and they've been losing a lot of key corporate and school contracts as a result -- to Dell's glee.

    If Apple keeps with their premium machines and slots in a x86 Mini a eMac at a slightly lower price and a new rugged entry level notebooks and accessories, Dell will feel some pain.
  11. iGary Guest


    May 26, 2004
    Randy's House
    You certainly cannot beat the pricing, though - and yes, I know, you get what you pay for.

    I was pricing out a server and RAID combo for a Web project I'm working on and Dell had Apple beat in price by about 6 grand. Hard to try and get a customer to swallow that.
  12. Apple macrumors 6502


    Mar 3, 2005
    Charlotte, NC
    That DJ is so hilarious. My friend bought one so I was thinking it might be alright, because she is pretty smart. So I went to her house and saw the thing and was almost blown away. The thing is HUGE!
  13. Garcia macrumors member

    Nov 3, 2005
    I've been weighing up my new machine and the quad beat apples offering by about 3/4k. Did you find the same before buying your dual 2.7?

    Get alot more for your money with apple too.
  14. cwtnospam macrumors regular

    Sep 4, 2004
    If you're just going to compare the cost of the boxes, Dell will certainly look cheaper. Total cost is another matter. There's normal support costs, where the Mac wins, then there's security costs, where the Mac blows the Dell away, and then there's the huge expense when the security fails. That last one might be an equal expense (probably not: the damage would likely be less on the Mac) in both cases, but you are much less likely to face it if you have a Mac. IMHO, if you're running a business, a $10,000 savings on the price of the box isn't enough to justify the Dell.

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