Democracy under threat

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  1. statik13 macrumors regular

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    Freedom House, the Economist, and V-Dem have each released reports stating that Democracy is under threat more so then in the past 50 years. In particular, they point to the state of the current US administration.

    From the referenced article:

    "Saahil Desai, writing in The Atlantic, claims Trump is the first president to “weaponize” a government shutdown for political gain. He has used executive power to militarize the border with Mexico, decreed a national emergency over the failure of Congress to provide appropriations for a border wall on the southern border, regularly demeans and verbally attacks the press, and refuses to cooperate with the Congress’s power to issue subpoenas for investigations of the executive branch." ​

    Link to Freedom House report
    Link to Economist report
    Link to V-Dem report

    What are the thoughts here? Are the reports over thinking things? Is this just the new way things are done? Or is there truth here?
     
  2. jkcerda macrumors 6502a

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    last clown signed indefinite detention w/o trial into law
    went to way in Libya & Syria w/o the approval of congress
    sold out the American people to the health insurance industry under threat of fines through the IRS
    guessing you guys forgot about the Obama shut down as well?
     
  3. blackfox Suspended

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    Democracy is only as good as its' citizens and it's structure. Today, people are stressed about making ends meet etc, and not always having time to make Civics a priority. Meanwhile, Structurally, Democracies are being eroded by short-term thinking (or self-centered)by Politicians, with no oversight by a preoccupied populace. I guess Tocqueville was right...
     
  4. Solver macrumors 6502a

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    Obama beat him to it.
     
  5. jkcerda macrumors 6502a

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    it's ok when democrats do it, when they do it it's for the "greater good"........
     
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    Man, you guys are just re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic here...
     
  7. yaxomoxay macrumors 68040

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    Thankfully we're a Republic.

    Really?
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    I would argue that all shutdowns are for political gain.

    "Customs and Border Protection agents used tear gas at a rate of about once a month during the presidency of Barack Obama."

    "President Barack Obama followed suit in 2010, sending 1,200 troops to the southwest border"

    OPERATION JUMP START, June 2006-July 2008 - HOW MANY TROOPS: Up to 6,000 Guard members in the first year, reduced to 3,000 in the second year.

    OPERATION PHALANX, July 2010-Sept. 2011 - HOW MANY: Up to 1,200 Guard members initially, though some remained in operations that continued beyond the initial deployment.

    A 2011 government review estimated the Bush and Obama deployments cost at least $1.3 billion.

    See also this 2013 study by the Congressional Research Service.

    Not really something new for the Exec Branch.
     
  8. jkcerda macrumors 6502a

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    isn't it pretty sad when BOTH sides screw over our rights? :(
     
  9. Solver macrumors 6502a

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    “for the greater good.”
    Most mass killings have been.
     
  10. Chew Toy McCoy macrumors regular

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    Corporate interests and the military industrial complex destroyed our democracy decades ago. Whatever the current scandals are, are almost laughable by comparison. But go on and keep fighting the distracted fight.
     
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    well, Eisenhower warned is a long time ago. Yet, trump has managed to bring a sense of normalcy to not being remotely democratic. That's new.
     
  12. Chew Toy McCoy macrumors regular

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    Be that as it may, I don't think future Presidents are going to use Trump's behavior as inspiration. They'll go back to screwing Democracy with class.
     
  13. statik13 thread starter macrumors regular

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    Potato, potatoe. They qualify that as a "Flawed Democracy"


    Agreed. The decline didn't start with Trump, it just picked up speed.


    Normalcy? I'd go as far as to say a sense of celebration amongst some. :(

    He's proven the system is broken and how well it can be played if you ignore little things like ethics and human compassion. If he wins a second term expect that his antics to date were just an appetizer and he will be kicking it up well past what we've seen.

    Why wouldn't the next person stoop to his level?
     
  14. jerwin macrumors 68020

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    That's why I dispense with the good entirely and always choose the lesser evil.
     
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    just like the Repubblica Sociale Italiana
     
  17. jkcerda macrumors 6502a

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    Perhaps you guys should stop looking the other way while your clown craps on the constitution
     
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    we can't even get the trains to run on time.
     
  19. statik13 thread starter macrumors regular

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    Lots of blame to go around. Neither Dems or Cons have been doing their job the last two years.
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    Three independent reports show how democracy is on the decline; in particular in America and you go with "Thanks for the laugh?"

    Sad.
     
  20. jerwin macrumors 68020

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    I believe that when it comes to political philosophy, it is a mistake to rely on nominative determinism.
     
  21. jkcerda macrumors 6502a

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    sad but true
     
  22. Huntn macrumors P6

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    For one thing, we need to have consistent standards and adherence to truth. When we flush our standards for the win, how can we expect to maintain a democracy? We can't.
     

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