Democrats Cave (Again) On DACA Agree To Pass 2 Year Spending Bill

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  1. ThisIsNotMe Suspended

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    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/07/senate-leaders-announce-budget-agreement.html

    Those internal polls over the Schumer Shutdown must have been UGLY!
    Democrats just gave up any leverage they had for the next 2 years and received ZERO in return.
     
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    Good, DACA is unconstitutional, it's just a leftover from the Obama era of policies that the looney left will cling to with all their might.
     
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    The deal they cut to end the previous shutdown was to take up DACA in a separate bill, which is scheduled for next week. Whether you like the deal or not, they didn't "cave" on anything in agreeing to this bill.
     
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    Not looney to those families that are directly or indirectly affected.. which is everyone. This isn't about left vs right.. it's about right vs wrong. DACA shouldn't have been part of any shutdown business nor should a freaking wall, neither was necessary to keep the government working. Anyone who knows how to get a job done correctly would know that.
     
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    The implication is that the Democrats are idiots, cannot negotiate, cave on every issue when pushed against the wall, and should have never tried to use the budget as leverage to force through a DACA fix, especially without conducting internal polling prior to such a stunt.
     
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    By "looney left" I guess you must be referring to the 3/4 of all Americans who support some form of DACA protection?
     
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    They wouldn't support it if they knew that over 75% of DACA recipients are over the age of 16...
    The media portrays that DACA is protecting children and their families, but that is simply not entirely true!
    EDIT: Also the bill wasn't passed yet, fyi
     
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    And there you go totally negating any point you thought you had by using generalizations. Way to go, dude.

    FAIL!
     
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    Shutting down the government over 800k illegal immigrants doesn't play well to the american voter who isn't a leftist, I'm shocked!!!!!!
     
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    The implication is - damned if you do, damned if you don't.
     
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    Say thanks to the Democracks, my friend.
     
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    Some people come here just to whine and grumble about any liberal, irrespective on the reason. Rather shockingly they don't quite realize we're onto them....
     
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    grrr libruhls!
     
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    DACA and Immigration need their own effort.

    As for the budget, McConnell, Schumer, Ryan all feel it is a deal. Pelosi ... sigh... there is a person who should have been replaced.
     
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    Well, unlike the coward Trump, we have DACA people that have served military tours in Iraq and Afghanistan that are currently in deportation centers, because they thought that by joining the service they would automatically become citizens.

    Saw this one the other day: https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/04/us/ice-possible-deportation-veteran/index.html
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    Apparently not...

    "President Donald Trump said on Tuesday he supports a government shutdown if Democrats won't agree to tighten immigration laws, undercutting ongoing bipartisan negotiations on Capitol Hill.

    The comment, which came during a White House meeting on the violent MS-13 gang, was not well received in the room. Rep. Barbara Comstock, a Virginia Republican who represents a district with thousands of federal workers, confronted Trump about the remark and urged him to avoid another government shutdown.
    "If we don't change it, let's have a shutdown," Trump said of the nation's immigration laws. "We'll do a shutdown and it's worth it for our country. I'd love to see a shutdown if we don't get this stuff taken care of."
     
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    They should have held their ground, if they weren’t going to make th GOP follow through with their promises from last time then what was the point of that shutdown?
     
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    1. They don't know what they're doing.
    2. The took a stab at shutting it down the first time with an unpopular president in the hopes the brunt of the backlash hits him and the republicans (it didn't).
    3. Polling shows the margin is narrowing for the midterms and they can't take a chance.
    4. Repeated shutdowns for 800k illegal immigrants LOOKS BAD and is a pretty powerful hammer to keep getting hit with during the midterms.
     
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    And some come here just to whine and grumble about anything Trump. Pot meet kettle :)
     
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    They got a commitment from McConnell to take up a clean DACA bill under regular order, which is scheduled for next week. It’s something the Democrats could not do unilaterally. I will be curious to see how it plays out, but there are probably 60 votes for some form of DACA fix in the Senate (all of the Democrats and a dozen or so Republicans). The sticking point, if it passes the Senate, will be getting Ryan to ignore the Hastert Rule and schedule a vote in the House.
     
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    Difference is, this thread whined about liberals either holding their ground, or 'caving'. When it comes to Trump he's arguably an extremely loose cannon who sticks his foot in it on a daily basis with a stream of hypocrisy and lies.

    It's hard to see what good he's really achieved that's going to serve the nation; he's given tax cuts mainly to the 1% (everyone gets some because it's hard to give 1%ers cuts without having to do some along the way for us normal folk), he's acted like a pedantic spoilt child everywhere, he's used and abused the system (just how many golf trips he need) and he's single handedly taken us one step to war with North Korea by acting just like Kim Jung-un.

    He promised he'd change Washington, bring back jobs etc. So far Washington's still just as bad and still not seeing any sudden influx of jobs. In fact, America's feeling pretty crappy all in all.
     
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    Erm... just pointing out that many of those affected by DACA are indeed adult, but have lived here since they were children. The older they are (1) the longer they have kept their nose clean with respect to the law and (2) the stronger their ties with the US. You make a lot of assumptions about what people do and do not know, and how they react to knowledge.

    It was the right thing to do, and Obama resorted to it only after trying to get legislation through Congress about the dreamers was blocked by the GOP. Allowing them to stay through a pathway to citizenship seems OK to me provided the pathway is reasonable.
     
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    True, to the minority of voters it doesn’t go over well.
     
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