Democrats: What Is The Solution To "Child Separation" At The Border That Upholds The Law?

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  1. ThisIsNotMe, Jun 19, 2018
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    I have yet to hear a valid argument or solution from the Progressive Left/Democrats to solve the current "issue" of children being separated from their "parents" at the border while illegally entering the United States.

    What is a solution that doesn't destroy our institutions, allow unfettered illegal immigration, and ensures that these illegal aliens show up for their deportation hearings?

    Keep in mind that if illegal immigrant families are not separated, they must be released into the United States unrestrained within 20 days of their apprehension which, if occurred at these levels, would be a destruction of our institutions/allow unfettered immigration.
     
  2. IWantItThatWay, Jun 19, 2018
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    I'm gonna keep partisan blame to a minimum. This post was edited.
     
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    Those complaining about the separation of the children are only doing so because the situation of illegal immigration does not affect them directly so they will find whatever angle they can to heap more political shame on the Trump administration.

    When illegal immigration starts to affect these complainers directly, you can bet they going to be the first ones to shout 'deport illegals'.
     
  4. IWantItThatWay Suspended

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    Trump should announce he is building new centers in the middle of Malibu and the Hamptons.
     
  5. ThisIsNotMe thread starter Suspended

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    Notice how the Democrats/Progressives are ignoring this thread.
    They don't have a solution or answer.
    Its all about Muh Trump and TDS.
     
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    Would you like this thread to be a starting point for that kind of discussion, finding common ground? If so, I'm all for it.
     
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    What do we do about kids who are sent here unaccompanied/with a coyote? This is a serious issue, not just with detention centers but period.
     
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    I am also curious how they think this can be handled within the law?

    Scenario: two guys are caught trying to illegally enter the USA with a 12 year old child, nobody has id and they claim they are 2 gay fathers of the child and they're escaping whatever.

    now what should we do?

    A- release all 3 of them into the USA with a date to return for processing.
    B- detain them and let all 3 stay together until you process them and find out if the child actually belongs with these 2 guys.
    C- detain them separately until you can process them and determine if they should be reunited within the USA or deported.

    answers A&B do not protect the welfare of the child... only C does.
     
  9. ThisIsNotMe thread starter Suspended

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    Sure.

    What is the solution that
    A) Doesn't destroy our institutions
    B) Let illegal aliens run rampant though our communities/unfettered illegal immigration
    C) Ensures that illegal aliens show up for their deportation hearings
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    A certainly doesn't uphold our immigration laws because you and I both know that they don't show up.

    B is illegal as ruled by the court in 2016 which leads us back to A.

    C is what we are debating but is somehow unacceptable.
     
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    How about we go back to the procedures that existed before we started separating children from their parents? The onus is on our elected leaders in Washington to develop humane (notice the emphasis) procedures for efficiently apprehending illegal immigrants and processing these cases. There are no practical reasons for the separation other than to use the children as political pawns...which is exactly what Trump is doing. It's HIS policy to separate them.

    Keep in mind that your statements about the destruction of our institutions and "unfettered" immigration are alarmist. Immigration is an issue that we have to deal with sensibly, but there are more humane ways to deal with it that don't include psychologically torturing children and using nouns to describe them like "animals" and verbs like "infest." Those are tactics designed to dehumanize. Throughout history fascists have used such tactics to scapegoat and dehumanize minorities. After they come for the immigrants, will you be next? Will your neighbors or coworkers be next? The problem with scapegoating is that it never solves the root problems. It just keeps shifting the blame from one marginalized group to the next.
     
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    Obama did everything Trump did.
     
  12. ThisIsNotMe thread starter Suspended

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    We can't. A court ruled in 2016 that if children are not separated from their parents then they must be released unfettered into the United States with no accountability or recourse for deportation.

    Thats the point.
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    Illegal aliens cost the US Taxpayer $125+ billion annually, destroying our schools, hospitals, and communities. Our children future is being stolen to pay for ESL, emergency care, and brining is crime. But that is beside the point of this thread.
     
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    In the case of a coyote the child often has a note... sometimes even sewn into their clothing, with the contact information of a relative in the United States. There are people who volunteer, often immigrants themselves, who interview the children to try and determine their situation. The majority of the time it's not that complicated and the child is clearly with a parent or relative.
     
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    Releasing illegal alien children into the United States, who will not show up to their deportation hearing, isn't a solution. We do not have open borders.
     
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    So we hold the children in centers while we try and look for their parents. We did that in 2014 and you didn't complain about it then.
     
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    What do other countries do? I'd like to see a broad range of examples and ideas.
     
  17. ThisIsNotMe thread starter Suspended

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    Most countries enforce their borders and don't let illegal aliens pour over them to begin with.
    Reality is that the solution is to secure/close our borders to illegal aliens and end this nonsense.
    Democrats won't vote for anything close to that.
    Trump should put sanctions on Mexico to clean up their act and tax remittance until Mexico stops sending/the flow of illegal aliens through their country.
     
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    Then we release them unfettered, which I know is what happened before, and we work on changing the laws to something more effective but still humane. You're trying to justify cruelty by saying you don't like an existing law.

    I'd also like to ask if you have statistics on how many don't report back for their hearings? I recently listened to an interview with a volunteer who works with these families throughout the process. Clearly some of them do what they are instructed to do, and report when they are asked to report. I'm sure many do not, but again...fix the law and don't jump to inhumane enforcement of the law.

    There are many things that cost taxpayers annually. What about unpaid for tax cuts for the wealthy? Tax loopholes for corporations and the wealthy? Out of control military spending?

    Immigration is certainly an important issue, but its importance does not justify cruelty. If you don't like the way illegal immigrants with children are handled, write to your representatives. Don't justify taking it out on vulnerable children.
     
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    That isn't a viable solution.
    Again, the point of this thread is for viable solutions.
     
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    Cruelty towards children is not a solution. We can do better, but I'm not sure the current administration is interested in treating these people with any dignity. Imagine escaping violence in your country after your best friend's son is killed for not joining a gang. You decide to take your children on a dangerous journey to America that involves riding a train filled with criminals and other gangs. You are one of the ones who makes it only to be separated from your children at the border where you are trying to find safety and security. Maybe we let you in. Maybe we kick you out. The least we can do is keep you and your kids together.
     
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    That's not an example. "Enforce the border" is very broad and could mean anything. We "enforce our border".

    An actual example would be Australia detaining refugees on Christmas Island for processing. Do they separate? Not separate? Get a hearing? All are turned away?
     
  22. IWantItThatWay Suspended

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    Let them stay at your place then. Quit virtue signalling and take some action yourself.
     
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    A valid answer to this is definitely to not start yet another thread on it, especially when we have one.

    Reported to be merged into the other thread.

    BL.
     
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    But you're okay with cruelty towards children as long as it gets you to a solution that is more acceptable for you? Where do you draw the line on cruelty?
     
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    You seemed to be OK with it when it was Obama doing it.
     

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