Dept. Homeland Security trying to keep hispanics from registering to vote

zimv20

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Blocking the Latino Ballot?

To an immigrant, Arnold Schwarzenegger told delegates at the Republican convention last month, there is no country "more welcoming than the United States of America." And most of the time, that's true.

But it wasn't true last week in Miami Beach, where the Department of Homeland Security attempted to ban a nonpartisan voter registration operation from setting up tables on the sidewalk outside a massive naturalization ceremony at that city's convention center. The DHS complained that Mi Familia Vota would be blocking the doors at the swearing-in. But last Thursday, U.S. District Judge Adalberto Jordan ruled that the right to register voters was protected by the First Amendment, though he did stipulate how much space the group's tables could take up.

If that arrangement seems to you the kind of compromise that Mi Familia Vota and the DHS could have arrived at themselves without making a literal federal case out of it, you underestimate the Bush administration's aversion to voting by new immigrants -- particularly new Hispanic immigrants. (The DHS didn't respond to Mi Familia Vota's request for a meeting.) In states such as Florida and Nevada -- battleground states with Republican election officials and burgeoning Hispanic populations -- the activities of groups such as Mi Familia Vota have been challenged by GOP officeholders, though it's a new wrinkle to have the DHS join the fray.

It's not hard to understand the Republicans' concern. Working in Hispanic neighborhoods across the state, Mi Familia Vota has already registered 58,000 new Florida voters, says Jorge Mursuli, its executive director. Though the operation is strictly nonpartisan, both its sponsors (which include groups such as the liberal People for the American Way) and the Republicans know that new Hispanic voters no longer hail preponderantly from Cuba, and they are likely to give most of their votes to the Democrats.
And down Florida way and in the Southwest, the administration, for all of Schwarzenegger's welcoming words, is trying to keep the Hispanization of the electorate from happening quite so fast. There, the Department of Homeland Security, charged with securing the republic from its enemies, is busy securing the Republicans from the newest Americans.
 

Thanatoast

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This country is going to become more multi-cultural over the next twenty years. Certain America-first elements need to pull their heads out of the sand and adapt to changing times.
 

sorryiwasdreami

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The Bush administration is turning America "the land of the free" into America "the home of the slave."

Our civil freedoms are being jeopardized as much as they were in the 60's. Now I know what Peter, Paul, and Mary were talking about when they said "How many years can some people exist before they're allowed to be free."
 

mactastic

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Go figure... the list of shenanigans that has happened in Florida goes on and on. And it's governed by who again?

Keeping the minority vote down is no new tactic to the right though.
*Detroit - Democrats on Wednesday denounced a Republican lawmaker quoted in a newspaper as saying the GOP would fare poorly in this year's elections if it failed to "suppress the Detroit vote."

****State Rep. John Pappageorge, R-Troy, acknowledged using "a bad choice of words" but said his remark shouldn't be construed as racist.

****Pappageorge, 73, was quoted in July 16 editions of the Detroit Free Press as saying, "If we do not suppress the Detroit vote, we're going to have a tough time in this election."
Detroit's populace is what racial makeup? And the most offensive thing isn't the racial implications of what this guy said, it's the idea that 'suppressing' certian voters you feel will vote against you is an acceptable method of campaigning, as opposed to turning out your own supporters in large numbers.

The GOP is scared of high voter turnout. If only the elites vote, the GOP wins. If the regular folk vote, the GOP loses.
 

IJ Reilly

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We should be grateful for these little moments of candor. It's not often we get to hear what the people in power really think, and what they're capable of doing to hold onto it.
 

continuum

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Thanatoast said:
This country is going to become more multi-cultural over the next twenty years. Certain America-first elements need to pull their heads out of the sand and adapt to changing times.
California is probably in the lead as is Florida for multi-cultural. I think caucasians are the minority in California.
 

IJ Reilly

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continuum said:
California is probably in the lead as is Florida for multi-cultural. I think caucasians are the minority in California.
No longer the majority but the largest plurality (depending on how ethnicity is defined).
 

kuyu

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Quick question. Do you guys think that illegal's should be able to vote? Supposedly, only 10 states require proof of citizenship to vote. Seems like a non-issue, but apparantly it's causing quite a stir.

Was the DHS trying to keep Hispanic Americans or Hispanics from registering???
 

pseudobrit

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kuyu said:
Was the DHS trying to keep Hispanic Americans or Hispanics from registering???
You're totally changing the subject. Perhaps you missed it in the article, but the registrations were being held adjacent to a naturalisation ceremony.

And secondly (and most importantly), what the hell is the Department of Homeland Security doing fussing with voter registrations at naturalisation ceremonies? How do they begin to justify this as being within their juristiction or scope of their charge?

It's frickin' bizarre!
 

continuum

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Actually it was only 2 Heinekens. I decided not to open the third. One thing I am thankful for is that my Governator, Mr. Schwarzenegger, vetoed the bill giving illegal aliens a driver's license. I can't even believe this was an option or was trying to be passed.

Sure, come on in to our country, get a license and run. It's one thing to capture them walking across the desert and crossing the border but it's another to have a high speed chase on I-10 or something similar to catch them. I'm all for the "melting pot" that America is, but let's do it right.
 

mischief

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Come now.... It's all a marketing ploy... If you didn't make the USA somewhat exclusive would anyone want to come here? ;)

Actually I'm all for reforming the immigration policies and border control measures in this country.

I'm also for getting Mexico to get off it's economic ass so folks will stay there voluntarilly.
 

mischief

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continuum said:
Exclusive would be earning your driver's license by taking the steps necessary starting with citizenship.
I always thought that Exclusivity involved a DMZ, razor-wire, attack dogs and armed thugs with sensory-enhancement gear.

Maybe I'm sneaking into the wrong nightclubs.... :eek:

Aren't the best nightclubs the ones on the millitary bases with the most expensive hardware? :cool: :p ;)
 

IJ Reilly

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continuum said:
Exclusive would be earning your driver's license by taking the steps necessary starting with citizenship.
Citizenship has never been a prerequisite for obtaining a driver's license. Even knowing how to drive isn't, apparently.
 

kuyu

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IJ Reilly said:
Even knowing how to drive isn't, apparently.
I didn't know you'd been Lex! Our drivers test is a 3 minute, once around the block POS that keeps idiots on the road.
 

stubeeef

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Citizenship is not a requirement, and shouldn't be, maybe a visa or greencard would be helpful instead of handing them out like condoms to 5th graders (no questions asked).
 

mischief

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pseudobrit said:
Aw, man, you mean when I visited Montréal, I went and got my Canadian citizenship and Quebec driver's license for nothing?!
Did you know that if you don't follow a very specific protocol in getting foriegn citizenship the US State Dept will revoke your US citizenship... Native born or not?

The bastards did it to my dad years ago and it was a helluva fiasco getting it all sorted out.
 

continuum

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Well, citizenship should be a requirement. Who's going to insure an illegal alien? If I get hit by a car with an alien driving it I'm going to kill if I haven't been killed (not literally). Giving a license to anyone is like giving candy to kids in the eyes of Mexicans crossing the border. I've heard that they make up a majority of the work force in California, which they do, so this is a way to pay them back. That's B.S. HAVE THEM GET RESIDENCY AND CITIZENSHIP FIRST. When I go to Mexico in my vehicle my insurance isn't the same as when driving in the U.S. I'm only covered for so many miles after crossing the border and I still think I need to obtain a permit of some sort. Above and beyond this mileage and I'm driving uninsured. Again, what U.S. insurance company is going to insure an illegal alien.
 

mischief

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continuum said:
Well, citizenship should be a requirement. Who's going to insure an illegal alien? If I get hit by a car with an alien driving it I'm going to kill if I haven't been killed (not literally). Giving a license to anyone is like giving candy to kids in the eyes of Mexicans crossing the border. I've heard that they make up a majority of the work force in California, which they do, so this is a way to pay them back. That's B.S. HAVE THEM GET RESIDENCY AND CITIZENSHIP FIRST. When I go to Mexico in my vehicle my insurance isn't the same as when driving in the U.S. I'm only covered for so many miles after crossing the border and I still think I need to obtain a permit of some sort. Above and beyond this mileage and I'm driving uninsured. Again, what U.S. insurance company is going to insure an illegal alien.
As I recall, in the state of California you currently do have to be a US Citizen or Registered Resident Alien.

A good point about insurance... If you have a CDL but can't register your car (lack of Insurance) exactly how good is that?

Better to clean up the immigration laws. Canada and the US have numerous "Work-pass" programs so folks who live in border communities can cross to work but not live. As I recall there's a payback feature that allows Canadians to have healthcare costs incurred in the USA to be paid for by their healthcare system as usual.
 

continuum

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That's something that is agreeable. It's not abusing a privilege. Driving is not our right...it's a privilege. I live in the Mojave desert, Palm Springs area, and I just wonder how many people would be driving uninsured if this happened. Hell, a lot of them probably drive regardless of license. It's bad enough having to worry about all the Grayhairs (retirees, seniors) white-knuckling it around here while driving. They can't even see over the dashboard. My boss got T-boned about 4 months ago by an 80 yr old man and she is going through hell. The police officer didn't even issue this man a citation because he would have lost his license and not been able to take his wife to the doctor every week. Let's fix this before giving a license to an alien.
 

wwworry

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going back to the original post: The issue about setting up a table on the sidewalk is totally covered in local zoning ordinances. They are very specific in that matter. I have no idea why the DHS would get involved in an issue like that unless it was politically motivated.