Did a planet cause the great flood.

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  1. JagdTiger macrumors 6502

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    Where would this record be?, in a library?

    The recording is the amount of stories from different cultures and the fast covering of dinosaurs from the water and mud.
     
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    If you want a more reasonable answer, than a flippant "no" ok, here you go.

    Is it "possible". Remotely. VERY remotely. Th argument is plausible, except for a lack of scientific evidence that can be found to corroborate.

    First, claiming a "World Wide Flood" as evidence, is not a tennable hypothesis, since we cannot find evidence of such world wide flooding. Especially during the timeframe that Mankind was around. For there to be enough water for tides to rise to the point of flooding the vast majority of the earth, you would have to melt down the ice capsalmost completely to add enough water. we know that this didnt happen, in fact, most of mankinds existence so far ahs been in a relatively cool period of the planet. There were even a few dozen, if not hundred or so thousand years where mankind (early descendants) lived through a massive ice age, which would have taken water out of the oceans.

    Also in addition, any body that had sufficient gravitation pull to affects the tides sufficiently to cause world wide flooding would need to be larger than our moon. OUr moon already has tidal forces against the earth, but insufficient tidal forces to cause widespread flooding on their own. Any body that would cause the reported flooding, would need to be absolutely massive. The problem with your articles hypothesis is that any sufficiently massive enough object like that would either be captured by earths orbit and still orbitting us today, OR, throw earth of it's orbit. Neither of which are evidenced today. Heck, if Earth were to be thrown off its orbit, we'd be extinct (as well as life itself) within minutes if not seconds.

    We also have a lot of evidence of what happens when a massive object does collide with earth. At least massive in the destructive forces sense. None of these objects that have collided with the earth caused the widespread flooding claimed. They caused massive devastation via other means (the K-T extinction of the dinosaurs is an example), but none of these caused the flooding presumed.


    Another big problem with this article is it takes at face value that there was 'worldwide flooding' based on less than historically accurate, or provable facts. For example, the Myth of Noah, is just that. a Myth. With zero evidence to showcase that such event truly happened. And even if we can claim it did happen, we're talking about a time before "global communication". How can the myth of noah for example claim it's a "worldwide" issue when the events of the bible story for Noah are extremely localized within a very small region of "the old world"

    Simply put, it's an interesting hypothesis. I don't think it would harm to perform some tests or research to prove/disprove scientifically, as that's what thoeries are for. But overall, the theory provided here is just unlikely.
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    "global record" doesn't mean human history records.

    The global record refers to the history of the planet as embedded within the rocks and mud that makes up the planet. The planet is like a tree, and as it ages, and sediment, dust and other erosion occurrs and then gets depositted elsewhere, creating a fairly accurate way of measuring both time passage and when things happened to the planet.

    If there were a global flood, there would be evidence of it found at approximately the same historical points in time around the globe.

    So far, at least it's my undertanding, no such evidence has been found.


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    There would be evidence of flooding, such as erosion or sediment that could be dated and found worldwide (I am not a geologist, but I would expect evidence along the lines of the Missoula floods (link)). Besides, the Bible cites rain, not tides as the cause of the flooding.
     
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    If other cultures said there was a huge flood, then it may have been global...they also discussed giants which were destroyed in the flood and not just the Mid East where Noah was.
     
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    The problem is you're quoting or referencing to myth's and scripture that have never been able to have any evidence verified.

    For example, there is no historical, OR archeological evidence that there was ever a race of giants. Therefore, a myth that claims that a giant flood killed off all the giants has to be able to prove both the existence of giants and the existence of flooding at the same time.

    Neither of these have been provable. Which means that the Myth of such is just that. A Myth. I won't say that you can't have faith in that it happened, but there is zero scientific or archaeological evidence to reinforce the myth.

    In addition, most of the other cultures myths about floods do not all line up timewise. Because of this, you can sort of believe that flooding to these cultures did happen, but not wide spread worldwide flooding.

    it's like claiming that the Flooding in Ontario in march and heavy flooding in parts of the UK in march are evidence of a worldwide flood, when both sets of flooding were independently caused by their own weather patterns.
     
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    Tidal forces would not cause global flooding. Besides that, where is this ridiculously large planet/body? If it was big enough to cause a flood that lasted more than a month, howsoever it might do that, where is it now? We should have seen something that large and been able to identify it trajectory, by now.
     
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    Several cultures have stories of significant floods. That does not, in any way, suggest any sort of global flood. There is no archaeological or geological evidence of a global flood. Noah and similar stories are myths.
     
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    Any body large enough to have caused a month long, global flood (if possible) would also be massive enough to rip the earth out of it's orbit, or rip the earth apart.

    Any object of sufficient mass that also originated within our solar system, that has an orbit that would bring it close to earth to cause such affects would continue to have an orbit that would bring it within the orbital plain of earth. We would see it today as it would still have an orbit around our sun.

    this leaves the only possibility of an object that comes in from outside our solar system. now it's possible to have these sort of bodies come whizzing through our solar system, But again, something massive enough to cause such widespread flooding would leave behind evidence.

    overall, it is an interesting hypothesis. Just one that rreally has no scientific backing.
     
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    "global flooding" -> all ancient text on that matter come from the black sea region or cultures that had contact with it.

    Most likely scenario:

    Black sea was a much smaller body of water not connected to any ocean and it's water level much lower when the Dardanelles were blocked after the last ice age.

    When that natural damm failed water went up and coast lines were pushed back 100s of miles.

    -> "all known world getting flooded" after a few generations of oral tales.
     
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    It was destroyed when it collided with Earth's 2nd moon.;):p:D:D:D The asteroid belt beyond Mars is the resulting carnage.:D:D:D
     
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    I always assumed that flood myths originated in ancient peoples observing fossils of sea creatures in mountains and other areas far from the sea and assuming that a great flood had deposited them there (ancient peoples not understanding plate tectonics).
     
  16. JagdTiger thread starter macrumors 6502

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    You would not except the evidence anyways.
     
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    What evidence?

    But first, start by explaining how you feed and muck all those critters
     
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    A lot of things are possible but effectively impossible to discuss in a meaningful way. You would need to be able to establish such an event through fossil records and geological studies before you could have a meaningful discussion on possible causes. Right now you are speculating on the cause of a speculative event. It does amuse me though.
     
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    That or the same in the Red Sea.
     
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    If your referring to Moses, no Red Sea wasn't cut of (at least not during that time).

    But there were tidal swamps in the area that is now the southern end of the Suez canal. So someone with detailed knowledge of terrain could have led people through it during an extreme low tide while everybody else following them a few hours later would have been trapped by rising waters.
     
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    Look up Graham Hancock and the Younger-Dryas theory.

    There is a lot of evidence that a comet/meteorite struck about 12,000 years ago just as the earth was recovering from an ice age, which put it back into a mini ice age again, due to the dust and debris from the collision blocking out the sun etc. The heat from the collision melted massive glaciers that caused massive floods.

    Theres many religions and cultures around the world that talk of a massive flood. The Old Testament version is plagiarised from earlier Middle Eastern religions.

    Last year a massive crater was discovered until an ice sheet in north western Greenland, which seems to fit with the time line and projected collision location, scientists/researches had predicted.

    The MainStream Scientists don’t agree with this theory, and there are many people that declare “there was no collision” even though the evidence is there.

    We don’t know everything about history and science, but that is how we learn, by making educated theories and then eventually proving them right or wrong.
     
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    @Krayzkat

    Some plot holes in that theory:
    - Impact in Greenland melting glaciers in the middle east -> flooding would have been their last concern
    - Direct flooding from that event would have only effected areas still deep in the stone age

    O.k. if it melted all the ice on Greenland the rise in sea levels might have been enough to push back costal lines quite a bit or even trigger a closed of black sea to get flooded...
     

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