Did Christianity Cause the Crash?

freeny

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Interesting read on faith, Christianity, charity and the roll it played in the current economic crisis...

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200912/rosin-prosperity-gospel

"America’s mainstream religious denominations used to teach the faithful that they would be rewarded in the afterlife. But over the past generation, a different strain of Christian faith has proliferated—one that promises to make believers rich in the here and now. Known as the prosperity gospel, and claiming tens of millions of adherents, it fosters risk-taking and intense material optimism. It pumped air into the housing bubble. And one year into the worst downturn since the Depression, it’s still going strong."
 

IntheNet

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Why would you take it as "science"? :confused:
The Atlantic article sets up a what I considered a slap at faith - a preposterous thesis of shift in the American conception of divine Providence and its relationship to wealth - then proceeds to fail to document it with anything close to believable. Then, from this lack of foundation, it blames the recession or the factors causing the recession crash on, of all things, a faith. Sorry... Star Wars has a more valid pretext. As I said, science fiction. But, thanks for posting nonetheless...
 

freeny

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The Atlantic article sets up a what I considered a slap at faith - a preposterous thesis of shift in the American conception of divine Providence and its relationship to wealth - then proceeds to fail to document it with anything close to believable. Then, from this lack of foundation, it blames the recession or the factors causing the recession crash on, of all things, a faith. Sorry... Star Wars has a more valid pretext. As I said, science fiction. But, thanks for posting nonetheless...
Are you saying this doesn't happen?
are you saying "faith" is perfect?

There were many facets to the run up to the economic crisis...

To say that "Christianity" was the only cause of the "Crash" is certainly outlandish, denying that this type of faith based recklessness happens is delusional.

Im going to assume your answer to the thread title is "no" ;)
 

Ugg

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Excellent article. I think there's a lot of truth in it and as he makes clear, it's not really so much about religion as it is about boundless faith in the mythological American dream.

Charlatans have been around since the beginning of time, but in the US they're often viewed as gods.
 

IntheNet

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There's nothing intrinsically good about faith.
I respect though disagree with your assessment; faith is, in itself, good as are the faithful. Evil exists apart from faith and that is its evidence.
 

rhsgolfer33

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Greed caused the crash, not Christianity or any other religion for that matter. Greed doesn't cease to exist just because you believe in a certain religion. Writing about greed causing the crash, however, doesn't make for a very interesting or attention grabbing article; suggesting that a religion is to blame does.
 

mcrain

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The article talked about changes in Christian teachings and a possible connection to people's spending/saving habits.

An article that discusses a cultural issue and proposes a possible connection is not a slap at religion or Christianity.

Touchy, touchy.

If part of the reason why some people made stupid decisions when it came to housing purchases was their belief system (as proposed by this article), then it's fair to discuss.

Maybe people need to think about their financial issues with a more clear-headed focus. I see no reason why someone who attends that church would be offended by that piece of advice.
 

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Greed caused the crash, not Christianity or any other religion for that matter. Greed doesn't cease to exist just because you believe in a certain religion. Writing about greed causing the crash, however, doesn't make for a very interesting or attention grabbing article; suggesting that a religion is to blame does.
Well said.
 

freeny

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Greed caused the crash, not Christianity or any other religion for that matter. Greed doesn't cease to exist just because you believe in a certain religion. Writing about greed causing the crash, however, doesn't make for a very interesting or attention grabbing article; suggesting that a religion is to blame does.
But it wasnt greed, it was the belief that because you had faith and were Christian, you would "inherit Jesus's wealth" in the form of material objects...

I dont believe these people are working out of greed but the "faith" that they are deserving because they believe in Jesus..
 

leekohler

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The article talked about changes in Christian teachings and a possible connection to people's spending/saving habits.

An article that discusses a cultural issue and proposes a possible connection is not a slap at religion or Christianity.

Touchy, touchy.

If part of the reason why some people made stupid decisions when it came to housing purchases was their belief system (as proposed by this article), then it's fair to discuss.

Maybe people need to think about their financial issues with a more clear-headed focus. I see no reason why someone who attends that church would be offended by that piece of advice.
Said even better.
 

obeygiant

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totally cool
But it wasnt greed, it was the belief that because you had faith and were Christian, you would "inherit Jesus's wealth" in the form of material objects...

I dont believe these people are working out of greed but the "faith" that they are deserving because they believe in Jesus..
Are we taking that op-ed article as fact now? Greed caused the crash, but you can keep railing against christians if you want to.
 

freeny

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Are we taking that op-ed article as fact now? Greed caused the crash, but you can keep railing against christians if you want to.
Please slow down and remove your finger from the hair trigger responses.

Nowhere on this thread have I even remotely "railed against Christians". If anything these people have been manipulated into a false sense of security by people claiming to be in touch with god.

I also havent claimed this op-ed piece as fact anywhere on this thread. But this thread is about this article, so lets stick to its content ok?
 

rhsgolfer33

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But it wasnt greed, it was the belief that because you had faith and were Christian, you would "inherit Jesus's wealth" in the form of material objects...

I dont believe these people are working out of greed but the "faith" that they are deserving because they believe in Jesus..
And you wouldn't classify that as greed? I would say these people still had an intense desire to possess material objects and money, that fits the bill of greed in my book.
 

freeny

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And you wouldn't classify that as greed? I would say these people still had an intense desire to possess material objects and money, that fits the bill of greed in my book.
Fair enough, now replace "material objects" with "an eternity in paradise"...
Is it still greed?

They are both rewards for believing/faith in Jesus. Why is it greed to want to be rewarded for ones faith? Isnt that what the Bible promises?