Did "holistic" medicine contribute to Jobs' death?

Discussion in 'Community Discussion' started by Andy2295, Oct 7, 2011.

  1. Andy2295 macrumors newbie

    Aug 9, 2011
    Steve Jobs in no doubt was a genius. However he was one of the luckiest man on the world to have a rare form of pancreatic cancer that can be cured. In fact its a routine surgery. He was too stubborn to get the surgery right away and tried alternate methods to cure it. By the time he finally decided to get the surgery it was too late and the cancer spread to not only his liver but other parts of his body. Long story short, he easily could have been living today if he would have accepted surgery immediately. -just from a medical standpoint
  2. Blorzoga macrumors 68030


    May 21, 2010
    How the hell do you know, were you his doctor?
  3. pettifogger06 macrumors member

    Oct 2, 2011
    I'm sure this will be a beloved position around here. Good choice.
  4. sawah macrumors 6502a


    Sep 13, 2010
    Steve was told he had 3-6 months to live. The doctor told him to get his affairs in order. He went back and had a biopsy and found out he could have the surgery and he did. He thought he was cancer free. Watch the video of him speaking at that college graduation in 2005. He was not stubborn, he tells you the story right there on stage. Get your facts right before you bash his decisions because you don't even know what they were.
  5. sawah macrumors 6502a


    Sep 13, 2010
    I love it when people don't even have any idea what they are talking about.
  6. 2010RS macrumors 6502

    Jun 26, 2009
    and "from a medical standpoint" you mean you watched an episode of Scrubs last night?
  7. jediistar macrumors 6502

    Sep 17, 2007
    No no, it was House. Definitely House.
  8. Icculus macrumors 6502

    Jun 2, 2007
    Frisco, TX
    Maybe Grey's Anatomy?
  9. Andy2295 thread starter macrumors newbie

    Aug 9, 2011
  10. bwphoto macrumors member

    May 2, 2006
    Pancreatic cancer is very fast acting. Usually when it's discovered it's a death sentence. There's no mistaking anything here.
  11. Andy2295 thread starter macrumors newbie

    Aug 9, 2011
    Also a more credible source CNN and mayo clinic explaining it



    Yes your right its almost garaunteed...but he had a very rare form that was curable...im not trying to troll im just making a point that its a shame a man so valuable had to die
  12. sawah macrumors 6502a


    Sep 13, 2010
    None of that matters. When Steve had that surgery he was cancer free. I can't believe we are even discussing this :/
  13. GadgetGeek407 macrumors 6502a

    Mar 26, 2009
    Grays Anatomy!

    All jokes aside, bottom line, religion aside, when its your time to go, diseases, accidents, or whatever are all excuses from God. There is no rhyme or reason why a two months old baby who has committed no sins can die, or a 90 year old with a life long disease is still living!

    We should be thankful for everyday we wake up
  14. EricNau Moderator emeritus


    Apr 27, 2005
    San Francisco, CA
    Conducted a little cleanup in the hopes of making this thread as productive as possible.
  15. AaronEdwards macrumors 6502a

    Feb 10, 2011
    80-90% of those with the kind of pancreatic cancer that Jobs had lives for at least 10 years after being diagnosed if they have the Whipple surgery. Some even live for decades.

    The other kind of pancreatic cancer, the one that the Nobel laureate Steinman had, that's the really bad kind. 50% of those who are diagnosed with it are dead within 10 months.

    Now, Jobs had access to the best care in the world. Yet he didn't live as long as 80-90% of those with his kind of pancreatic cancer. Steinman, on the other hand, lived for 4 years.

    One of them beat the odds, but it wasn't Jobs.

    Jobs tried alternative medicine instead of getting the surgery when first being diagnosed, he didn't get the surgery until almost a year later when the tumor was growing. Steinman, on the other hand, tried eight different experimental drugs, some that was based in part on the research that he was awarded the Nobel Prize for.

    These are the facts.

    I'm not his doctor, I haven't seen his journal, but really, does anyone actually believe that waiting almost a year until getting the surgery didn't affect Jobs' cancer or his chances to stay alive?
  16. Shrink macrumors G3


    Feb 26, 2011
    New England, USA
    Well thought out, well written, well informed, and rational.

    Best post in this thread.

    Recommended reading...:D
  17. iJohnHenry macrumors P6


    Mar 22, 2008
    On tenterhooks
    Already did. :D

    I think the thread title would be more correct stated in this manner:

    Did Jobs' faith in "holistic" medicine contribute to his early death?

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