Did the GOP threw away any shot for mid elections?

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  1. macfan881 macrumors 68020

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    After tonights Speech Obama gave on Healthcare and the showings by Joe Lewis Liar shout and The Shots of Republics either looking dead board,tossing up signs ignoring the President, and than Having the GOP respons being the same old stuff we been hearing since november did the Republicans throw away any chance of getting majority back?

    I think if this passes and no rep vote for it i think this willl spell doom for the GOP. I think thats just my opinon anyway what bout urs?
     
  2. Nugget macrumors 65816

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    I'm more concerned with actual governance than with future elections. I wish more Republicans agreed with me on that front. The nation faces some really significant problems and treating politics like it's a team sport isn't fixing any of them. This is our country, not the Super Bowl.
     
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    I think your dreaming a silly one , OK?

    If anything there were probably people cheering in their seats at home over that. I can recall similar scenes of Democrats looking dour and disinterested when Bush ][ was speaking, but I know, that doesn't matter because he deserved it while Presidente "Present" deserves only adulation.

    Yeah... laughable to think it cost them or this anything other than some press. Whats really going to be funny is how some elements of the press will bleat as if this is a turning point ignoring the crap that always goes on by people they favor.

    Ole Presidente played the wealth envy card... whats next? Race card or is that for his myrmidons to use in his stead?
     
  5. freeny macrumors 68020

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    People voted Obama for "change", and for them, right or wrong, they see the GOP as in the way of that change. They see them as sore losers, selfish, and yes, even "crazy" stemming from things like the Obama school speach and last nights outburst.

    The GOP, right or wrong, sees the Dems as some sort of Socialist regime that wants to take away all they have rightfully earned. Ironicly knocking them down to the same class of people they rely on to keep them "fortunate".

    It could go either way. The country is obviously split hard. Most people are entrenched already. It will take another catastrophy to bring everyone back together unfortunately. But even then i doubt the GOP is secure enough to not play party politics...

    What makes me believe the Dems will hold is that the GOP is still the same. It will take a long time to wash the Bush image from their hands. Just giving a few reminders of what they [Republicans] still have to offer will keep the Dems in power... Continuing to draw attention to that fact, like last night, keeps those memories fresh in the minds of voters who wanted them out. They see Obama working for change but the GOP is going out of thier way to stop it.
     
  6. fivepoint macrumors 65816

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    If only he had thrown his shoe at the president! Then you guys would have called him a hero!

    In all seriousness though... although this may not have been the time and place, people have got to get more critical and more vocal against this HUGE GOVERNMENT president. Someone needs to stand up and say the truth to his face... Something, perhaps, like THIS!
     
  7. jb1280 macrumors 6502a

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    It was absolutely not the place to do that. It was also the wrong thing to do.

    If you want to cogently take on this administration, you can't call him a fascist, a communist, a Muslim, say he's going to form death panels, say he's going to indoctrinate small children, accuse him of not being a real citizen of the country, etc.

    Leading opposition need to denounce these things and actually start talking policy.
     
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    Please tell me you did not just equate the two? :eek:
     
  9. leekohler macrumors G5

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    Of course he did. What's new?

    That said- The GOP aren't doing themselves any favors right now. They keep acting like this and they'll alienate even more people. I say let them.
     
  10. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

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    No they haven't. Remember public is very short sighted. Come election day the general public is not going to care what sad politian did 1 years before hand. Hell they will not care what they did 6 months before hand. They will only care what they have done recently. Close to the election day the more it matters. Farther away from it less it matters.

    Anything over 1 year before hand is completely worthless.

    This is part of the problem I see with our politics. They only care about staying in office not what is best so they pass bills that are great short term but have huge long term problems.
     
  11. Iscariot macrumors 68030

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    Could we get some responses from non-ridiculous conservatives please? I'm tired of defending an administration and a president I don't like simply because you guys can't seem to stop flat out lying.
     
  12. Kashchei macrumors 65816

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    Several Churchill Quotes come to mind in response to your post (with which I completely agree).

    "A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject" "An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last"
    "It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried"

    The "loyal" opposition in this country is now a small but vocal minority of fanatics. There is no appeasing them since they have staked their future on steadfast opposition to the current administration. And while I don't wish to see an oligarchy rule this country, I do think that a well-functioning democracy is predicated on a well-informed and thoughtful electorate. I unfortunately cannot honestly describe Americans with these terms at present.
     
  13. fivepoint macrumors 65816

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    Equate which two? Bush and Obama? Throwing shoes at someone and yelling 'liar!' Which are you concerned with? I just think it's funny how one day liberals are laughing at someone throwing a shoe at Bush, completely unconcerned with 'politeness, etc' and then today they're all up in arms about a congressman yelling. It's just hypocritical and hilarious!


    Really, your analysis seems to fly in the face of polling data which shows support for Obama and the liberal healthcare plan dropping steadily. I'd say that their socialistic policies and drunken sailor spending are alienating even more people. Especially independents who are dramatically opposed to the healthcare plan as it sits now.


    Which flat out lie are you talking about? I think you just flat-out lied. I will say, I understand you 'defending an administration and a president you don't even like'. I found myself doing the very same under Bush. I disagreed with the man far more often than I agreed with him but the ridiculous attacks against him on this site made me defend him sometimes. Not fun.
     
  14. MyDesktopBroke macrumors 6502

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    The party in power has lost mid terms over the past two decades. Clinton lost democrat seats in congress after he failed to pass health reform.

    Bush lost republican seats in 2006 because he started a war with the wrong country, sent 4000 Americans to their deaths, caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians, trampled the constitution, etc.

    Either way, Obama will see an evening out in congress in 2010. People basically are always unhappy with the government. They think if they elect enough random people, eventually they will get some keepers.
     
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    A lot of wisdom here. Unfortunately the implication though is that we're hopelessly vacillating between two parties who aren't doing us any good. In many ways, they're incredibly similar. Both refuse to subscribe to a truly constitutional view of the government, both are pro intervention, pro war, pro big government, pro big spending, pro deficit spending, pro entitlement programs, and a whole lot more.

    People thought BO was going to bring change, real change, but all he has brought us is MORE indebtedness, MORE economic struggle, MORE big government, MORE war in Afghanistan, MORE struggle with world powers including North Korea and Iran, MORE taxation in times of economic depression, MORE MORE MORE. It's sickening.
     
  16. leekohler macrumors G5

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    Really? Google is your friend, ya know...

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...ds-of-speech-watchers-favor-obamas-proposals/

    My analysis flies in the face of what again?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/20/new-poll-77-percent-suppo_n_264375.html

    http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=5ba17aa2-f1b9-4445-a6b8-62b9d1ba8693

     
  17. kavika411 macrumors 6502a

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    I thought it was a foregone conclusion, unnecessary to challenge, that Republicans have destroyed themselves, will never regain power, are dead in the water, couldn't change a lightbulb, don't have the wherewithall to tie their own shoelaces, have resorted to failing tactics, couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag, couldn't hit the broadside of a barn, couldn't be elected to Safety Patrol, and even their mommas don't love 'em. Now there is suddenly talk of their chances of taking back a majority of Congress? I thought we'd been taught Republicans are so dense and failing they couldn't be elected to dog catcher.
     
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    Well its not like they could do it on their own, they need an enabler, an ally to help them get into power. Just like 1994 its going to be a President over reaching and causing independents to switch their support. Throw in the fact that Obama has done to change Washington except to exaggerate all that is bad, and I figure the Republicans are going to have to work at not winning
     
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    If it helps everyone to know, Joe Wilson's smegup definitely helped his opponent. Just between last night and now, his opponent in 2010, Rob Miller, raised $200,000 for his campaign, just from the shout alone.

    Wilson has a lot to make up. And I will leave the race card out of this, especially because it isn't right/fair to play 'guilty by association', as he was an aide to Thurmond. Wilson will stay or go by his own merits.

    In the end, his constituents are not happy with him. Disagree with the POTUS, talk it out with the POTUS, but you do not disrespect the office of the POTUS, which an elected congressman did.

    BL.
     
  21. leekohler macrumors G5

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    Saw that myself. He did a lot of damage with that one.
     
  22. MyDesktopBroke macrumors 6502

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    Especially since the bill is very clear about giving federal money to fund treatment for people who are living in America without proper citizenship: you can't.
     
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    Lets not speak for all people here, after Bush being in office for 8 years it was amazing the republicans were even allowed to run for president.
     
  24. fivepoint macrumors 65816

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    Hahaha, oh Lee... I'm really glad you posted that CNN link. Maybe you should have read a bit further! "The sample of speech-watchers in this poll was 45 percent Democratic and 18 percent Republican. Our best estimate of the number of Democrats in the voting age population as a whole indicates that the sample is about 8-10 points more Democratic than the population as a whole." Hahahaha! What a fantastic source of information. Amazingly, CNN waits until the last paragraph of the story to share that juicy tidbit. Nope, they're not biased at all.

    Again, among independents (the group that really matters here since Dems are wildly supportive and repubs are wildly unsupportive) the proposed healthcare options are quite unpopular.

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    Here is some more:
    http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/se...ings-drop-obama-health-care-plan/life-health/
    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/08/18/health/main5248609.shtml
    http://minx.cc/?post=290780
    http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=8385581
    http://video.aol.co.uk/video-detail/poll-health-care-support-falling/1462278463


    Sorry Lee, even if you get ALL of your news from the Huffington Post you should have at least HEARD about the massive decline in support for Universal Healthcare. Why do you think BO even held this speech before congress? He's losing, and he's flailing trying to do anything possible to keep the ship from sinking.
     
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    But that's exactly his point. We hate admin after admin, congress after congress, and keep trying to replace them with the exact same people who stand for the exact same views.
     

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