Didn't Take Trump Long to **** All Over His Supporters

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As we all knew, Donny can't afford to self-fund his campaign.

By the way, Steven Mnuchin is a Goldman Sachs guy with ties to, wait for it, your favorite boogeyman, George Soros.


Donald Trump may be rich, but he’s apparently not that rich.

In a sharp about-face, Trump—who called Ted Cruz and John Kasich “puppets” of special interests for taking money from big donors—now says he won’t self-fund his presidential campaign and will instead raise outside money to take on the giant cashbox that is Hillary Clinton.

“I’ll be putting up money, but won’t be completely self-funding,” he told theWall Street Journal.

It’s not entirely surprising that Trump might want some financial help with the expense of a national election. His campaign has claimed he’s got a net worth of $10 billion, while others say it’s more like $4.5 billion (and there’s evidence that he’s inflated his income claims). But no matter what it is, the cost of a presidential general election campaign—an estimated $1 billion—is enough to make any billionaire blanch.


Through the end of April, Democratic frontrunner Clinton had raised $213 million for her campaign and another $67 million has flowed into pro-Hillary Super PACs, theJournal reports. For his part, Trump has so far spent $47 million, of which $36 million were loans from his coffers and $11 million from small donors.

Of the small donors, Trump campaign national finance chair Steven Mnuchin, CEO of the Dune Capital Management hedge fund, told the Journal that, “Donald generated such broad-based support that we’re looking to tap into existing party members as well as the new people that have joined the party for him.”

http://fortune.com/2016/05/05/trump-big-donors-super-pacs/
 

thewap

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As we all knew, Donny can't afford to self-fund his campaign.

By the way, Steven Mnuchin is a Goldman Sachs guy with ties to, wait for it, your favorite boogeyman, George Soros.

http://fortune.com/2016/05/05/trump-big-donors-super-pacs/

The donations are for the GOP senate runs and congress. He already stated that, - not for him.

That is the function of the party leader.

Net worth at that scale is pretty hard to value..let's say the buildings are one thing, the values of the businesses another. US and international investments another.

It is quite easy to write a hit piece on any billionaire, while much more difficult to put values off the cuff of such a large enterprise.

For your purposes, let's just say he is poor, and he should be on welfare.
 
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ericgtr12

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The donations are for the GOP senate runs and congress. He already stated that, - not for him.

That is the function of the party leader.
Actually, that's the function of the RNC Chairman. Trump will be soliciting money for his General Election bid.
 

rdowns

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The donations are for the GOP senate runs and congress. He already stated that, - not for him.

That is the function of the party leader.
I love how you defend his ******** at every turn.

From Reuters...

Presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump said on Wednesday he will probably work with the Republican National Committee to raise $1 billion to beat likely Democratic rival Hillary Clinton in the Nov. 8 U.S. presidential election.

"We're going to try and raise over a billion dollars which is what's going to be necessary. The Democrats maybe will get as high as two billion dollars," Trump said in an interview with NBC Nightly News.
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Clickbait.
But rdowns can do better than this.
How is it click bait? He said he was going to self-finance and he didn't. He said he wouldn't take money from big donors but he now says he will. He said he won't owe anyone anything because he won't take their money and now he is. He hired a Goldman Sachs guy with ties to @thewap 's favorite boogeyman.

Admit ti dude, you fell for it all hook, line and sinker.

I bet the first thing he does when the money comes in is repay his loans to his "self-financed" campaign.
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Actually, that's the function of the RNC Chairman. Trump will be soliciting money for his General Election bid.
Trump will get rid of that weasel very soon.
 

thewap

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Actually, that's the function of the GOP Chairman. Trump will be soliciting money for his General Election bid.
Yes and Trump will help. He will not accept donations from special interest.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/23/donald-trump-will-take-campaign-donations-but-not-from-lobbyists-or-special-interests/
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I love how you defend his ******** at every turn.

From Reuters...


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How is it click bait? He said he was going to self-finance and he didn't. He said he wouldn't take money from big donors but he now says he will. He said he won't owe anyone anything because he won't take their money and now he is. He hired a Goldman Sachs guy with ties to @thewap 's favorite boogeyman.

Admit ti dude, you fell for it all hook, line and sinker.

I bet the first thing he does when the money comes in is repay his loans to his "self-financed" campaign.
[doublepost=1462471069][/doublepost]

Trump will get rid of that weasel very soon.

Awww getting personal again... I'm flattered. :D
 

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The donations are for the GOP senate runs and congress. He already stated that, - not for him.

That is the function of the party leader.

Net worth at that scale is pretty hard to value..let's say the buildings are one thing, the values of the businesses another. US and international investments another.

It is quite easy to write a hit piece on any billionaire, while much more difficult to put values off the cuff of such a large enterprise.

For your purposes, let's just say he is poor, and he should be on welfare.
I didn't hear the first time about his stating that the money would go to other Republicans. That doesn't mean he didn't say it before. Like me, rdowns probably did not hear the first time he said it. If Clinton can do that for Democrats, he can for Republicans. Ideally, there should just be a set pool of tax money for elections and all donations banned, since that encroaches on plucroatic oligarchy as opposed to a democratic republic. Ideally, donations would not mean a "return on investment" but so many people believe that's what happens that something new could be put in to allay fears of claimed corruption by capital.

Net worth at that scale is a good point.

Hit pieces are easy, on a general level. With detail and nuance, it becomes more complex as to external criteria.

The last I'd read, even people in modest surroundings making $250k/yr is poor:

https://www.google.com/search?q=250,000+poor
(arguments for and against the notion all come up and all make for fun reading)
 
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Damn, didnt know it cost that much to run, why not just put that money towards the homeless or needy here and just have these people run on a certain news channel or channels...
 

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Yes and Trump will help. He will not accept donations from special interest.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/23/donald-trump-will-take-campaign-donations-but-not-from-lobbyists-or-special-interests/
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Awww getting personal again... I'm flattered. :D

Let's see. In August, when it political expedient to do so, he said he wouldn't take money from "special interests."

But, apparently, things have changed.

And, @rdowns is right to note that Trump will likely use campaign money from the GOP and his new money men to pay back loans he made to his campaign.

What a scam.
 

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Let's see. In August, when it political expedient to do so, he said he wouldn't take money from "special interests."

But, apparently, things have changed.

And, @rdowns is right to note that Trump will likely use campaign money from the GOP and his new money men to pay back loans he made to his campaign.

What a scam.
Yes. He may even turn a profit!
 

edk99

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I really don't care where he gets his money from and I don't think any of his supporters do either.

So his stance on the matter has "evolved". Isn't that what the Dems call it?
 
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hulugu

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if Hillary supporters don't care what Hillary does, WHY should the trump supporters be any different?
I think it's vital to tell the truth about either candidate. Hillary Clinton is hoarding funds meant for down-ballot candidates. Trump risked his own money, but will ultimately turn a profit and raise funds through major GOP channels—just like every other GOP candidate.

If Hillary Clinton is beholden to Goldman Sachs—and I think she is—so too is Donald Trump.

I really don't care where he gets his money from and I don't think any of his supporters do either.

So his stance on the matter has "evolved". Isn't that what the Dems call it?
Hey, if his stance has evolved out of political expediency that's no shame, but don't tell me that he's better than the rest of the money-grubber who have to cash checks from big-money GOP donors.
 
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MadeTheSwitch

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if Hillary supporters don't care what Hillary does, WHY should the trump supporters be any different?
Not even close to being equivalent. Unlike Trump's claim, I don't think Hillary could shoot someone on 5th avenue and have her supporters still not care. On the other hand, I believe Trump when he says that he could.
 

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I love how you defend his ******** at every turn.

From Reuters...


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How is it click bait? He said he was going to self-finance and he didn't. He said he wouldn't take money from big donors but he now says he will. He said he won't owe anyone anything because he won't take their money and now he is. He hired a Goldman Sachs guy with ties to @thewap 's favorite boogeyman.

Admit ti dude, you fell for it all hook, line and sinker.

I bet the first thing he does when the money comes in is repay his loans to his "self-financed" campaign.
[doublepost=1462471069][/doublepost]

Trump will get rid of that weasel very soon.
Are you okay? I remember him clearly saying he was self funding the nomination and he will accept money in the general
 
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No not at all. But she also didn't charge interest above base rate on those.

It takes a special type of deviant to do that.
the bought delegates she got are worth more than any interest she might have charged.
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Not even close to being equivalent. Unlike Trump's claim, I don't think Hillary could shoot someone on 5th avenue and have her supporters still not care. On the other hand, I believe Trump when he says that he could.
ha, she came she saw he died & she laughed.
 
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Trump risks millions in self funding his Republican nomination and is now going to start fundraising, meanwhile Hillary has been whoring out her services for fundraising, favors, and influence for years and no one complains.
 
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thewap

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Are you okay? I remember him clearly saying he was self funding the nomination and he will accept money in the general
I think the witch supporters are trying to justify her practices in "campaign donations" she has been receiving throughout her career, her superpacs, and the Clinton Foundation "charity".

One difference between Trump's way of doing it than the others;

Primaries:
The other candidates all funded by campaign contributions and superpacs, Cruz for instance has 4 superpacs - the so called "never Trump Movement", and also took a one million loan from Goldman's that he did not disclose.
Cruz is beholden to all the donors / billionaires and lobbies, and also owes on Goldman's loan.
GOP campaign / donations costs for the candidates I would estimate around close to 200 - 300 million more or less so far. We now know $77 million was spent on anti-Trump ads 65000 of them on the GOP side LOL.

Trump financed his campaign himself loaning the money to the GOP and is beholden to no one. He also stated that he would take contributions when and if he won the nomination, but not from lobbies or hedge fund managers. Now that he won,he is also contributing more to the cause of his party for the senate and congress.

Trump has probably spent around $48 million himself so far and that money is set up as a loan which means the GOP is beholden to him. Now some here complain "what a scam he is making interest!". lol. Of course loans are loaned out for interest, it's called "financing" -he is a business man, but now Trump is in position where the GOP owes him, not the reverse. - BRILLIANT!

I think it is estimated that the Hillary camp will reach 2 billion? maybe someone can chip in.
 
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@thewap - I think you said that nicely.

Did you happen to see Gerkin's analysis of Ryan and Trump? I think very highly of Gerkin.
 
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Gutwrench

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Thanks ! - No, can't find it, do you have a link?
So sorry. He's on CNN as we speak.

Honestly, I don't feel qualified to recap his thoughts, but I hope you can replay CNN's Don Lemon Show tonight. Im not a huge fan of Lemon, but he asked a few very good, thought provoking questions to his panel.
 
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Trump risks millions in self funding his Republican nomination and is now going to start fundraising, meanwhile Hillary has been whoring out her services for fundraising, favors, and influence for years and no one complains.
The nearly 10,000,000 people that cast a primary ballot for Bernie Sanders disagree.