Difference between Obamacare and Universal Healthcare

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  1. phas3 macrumors 65816

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    What is the main differences between obamacare and the universal health care that europe and canada has?
     
  2. Heilage macrumors 68030

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    Obamacare (what a stupid name), as far as I have gathered, just requires you to buy insurance from a provider of some sort, and they can't overcharge I guess.

    UHC means that the insurance company is basically the government. You pay income tax, and most health costs are covered through the tax bill, you might just pay a small share of it directly when you're at the doctor's office or something. Also, at least in Norway, drugs are subsidized, so if your yearly medicine costs exceed 1500NOK (or something of that order, ~$250), the rest is covered by the state. This also means that your average antibiotics and stuff are easily affordable.
     
  3. NickZac macrumors 68000

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    In the most basic sense, "Obamacare" still utilizes the private sector as the main source of insurers, where as many universal care models utilize a centralized, public care system as the main insurer, sometimes with supplemental care from private insurers available. The biggest thing is that now, people with pre-existing conditions, will not be outright denied when trying to purchase private insurance coverage...although I do believe they will still be charged more. Medical reporting is also going to be impacted, although the specifics aren't quite clear.
     
  4. Huntn macrumors G5

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    The objections to Universal Health Care (Obamacare) as far as I can tell are frivolous arguments used as a mechanism to try to consolidate political/religious power.
     
  5. NickZac macrumors 68000

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    Objections to generalized universal health care and "Obamacare" are often consolidated into one package. However, criticisms of each usually do not apply to the other. Rationing with Obamacare will be very different than rationing with UHC, as will the delivery of the actual services provided.
     
  6. niuniu macrumors 68020

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    Obamacare as I see it is regulation of the healthcare insurers. Forcing them to provide cover for a greater number of people, and removing their options for dropping customers. As well as some other add ons.

    British healthcare is an entirely different animal. We pay taxes that go into providing everyone with healthcare. If you get sick, you go to a hospital and get treated.

    Brits can also insure themselves hoping to get extra benefits such as faster operations in private hospitals (there are queues for some types of operations in the national health service).

    Our NHS isn't well run, but it is definitely something to be proud off. France I think has the best run healthcare system in the world. Obama's earlier vision of a healthcare system has been bastardized yet I think he's done well to still get something through.
     
  7. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    US puts all their faith in corporations who have perpetually screwed the people over. Other countries don't.
     
  8. Ugg macrumors 68000

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    That's not really true. The majority of people in Germany buy their public health insurance from private insurance companies via their employers. The insurance companies are strictly regulated similar to an American water utility. They can only increase rates so much in a year, etc. I honestly think that Germany's is the best approach. Only the high earners can buy truly private insurance while the rest of the people buy into a federally regulated fund.

    Americans do need to get over the idea that the best solution is only a totally private solution.
     
  9. jnpy!$4g3cwk macrumors 65816

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    A while back a show on PBS (maybe Frontline?) did a series comparing different countries. The German system sounded like something that could work in the U.S.

    The U.S. hasn't had a totally private solution for a long time.
     
  10. noteple macrumors 65816

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    Obamacare’s third party insurance mandate is only the first step toward a single payer government health care system.

    Fast tracking to a socialist system, with centralized fixed pricing, shortages, rationing, apathy, and further declining quality of care.

    Cast system about to go into overdrive with those that will afford a better life care system through privatization, and the rest of us.

    Either you believe in a rejection of all government systems in favor of free market mechanism, or you don't.

    Rhetoric on both sides.

    But then again things are never that simple are they, at least he saw a problem and tried.
     
  11. Ugg macrumors 68000

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    So France, Germany, Norway, Switzerland, Sweden, France and Denmark all have the characteristics that you listed above? If that's so, why are their health care systems considered the best in the world?

    It honestly sounds as though you're just repeating what you heard Rush/Beck/plain blathering on about. It's a shame that so many Americans have lost the ability to think for themselves...
     
  12. Sydde macrumors 68020

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    Well, you know, everyone is being fleeced and befuddled by that dastardly liberal media.
     
  13. filmbuff macrumors 6502a

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    Read his whole post, he was summarizing the two arguments from the sides who see it as a black and white issue with no middle ground. In real life, it is more complicated.
     
  14. Huntn macrumors G5

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    I think most of them think what they are told to think by the political forces they have empathy for. The problem is that many of us, including myself, know what we want, we just don't know how practical it is. Based on my philosophical/moral leanings, I like the idea of Universal Healthcare, but I have to rely on experts I trust, who supposedly know if a program is workable or not.
     
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    Which is why there are no corpses laying about, helter skelter.
     
  16. MadeTheSwitch macrumors 6502a

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    I didn't like it at first either. But now that campaign ads are separating the words, taking ownership of the phrase and making it into "Obama Cares" I rather like it. Cause it makes it look like the other side doesn't. Which in fact, they really don't.
     
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    I think it's terrible that the "Obamacare" has come to represent whatever ideas anyone may think that the ACA does, as opposed to actually knowing what is in the bill and how it affects us as consumers. So much false information was spread so early on and the issue is so incredibly polarizing.

    Wikipedia does a great job of explaining the bill. But I highly doubt that the most entrenched opposition actually knows what's in it, but instead just believe whatever they want to believe about socialism, death panels, rationing, ect...
     
  18. trouble747 macrumors 6502

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    I saw yesterday (in a story on Crossroads GPS) that conservatives are STILL running ads attacking the ACA for "slashing medicare spending" and for instituting death panels.

    The attacks on medicare cuts make no sense, particularly because the GOP's plan via Paul Ryan is to get rid of the current medicare system and replace it with a voucher. I thought that the freshman republicans wrote a letter to Obama asking for a 'truce' on this issue because they didn't think it was fair they were getting attacked for their vote on the Ryan budget.

    The death panels bit is even more ludicrous. NPR ran a story about the Tea Party last week featuring a woman who identified as a nurse, in tears describing the fateful day when she'll have to hold a patient's hand when the doctor comes in and says "we have a lifesaving treatment for you, but Obamacare won't cover it."

    :rolleyes:

    Yes, because private insurers are known to pay for everything, no questions asked! Ah, the good old days....
     
  19. NickZac macrumors 68000

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    I saw a credible poll that indicated that 30% of Americans believed the lie of death panels to be true. One in three people. I have no words to describe my degree of speechlessness.
     
  20. iJohnHenry macrumors P6

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    The Bogeyman is very real to the idiots in this World.

    And the dumber we can keep them, the better for "us".

    ;)
     

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