Disabled woman says "no" to government welfare!

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  1. montanachad macrumors regular

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    I too have given up on government health insurance. Medicare is not worth the 96.00 a month they make me pay per month. I am on SSDI for Bipolar and having Medicare is like having no insurance at all. Clinics refuse me for
    being on Medicare. I'm also a staunch Libertarian who believes in
    charities over government welfare. This story is proof that one can
    live without the "safety net" of the welfare system of misery. Selling
    Real Change is my "food stamps" and helps me pay for services at a
    clinic with sliding-scale fees and gets me extra food. This article has given me the courage to say no thank you to government "insurance". :mad:
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    Apologies to the OP who can't post in the political forum, but this topic belongs in here.
     
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    Good indeed! We need more poor people saying "no thank you" to the liberal government who wants to hand out food stamps and bad "insurance" at a cost which is unfair to homeowners, a disservice to the homeless population, and a lie to the other poor people. Welfare creates laziness which leads to misery and the government monitoring their affairs.

    For instance, to get food stamps, cash, or Medicaid in WA State. One must give their social security number, the names and social security numbers of all the people living in their household. That's an invasion of privacy!

    Church charities help out the homeless with money for medication, airline tickets to reunite them with their families, and a safe place to camp. One particular model: http://campquixoteoly.googlepages.com/about .
     
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  6. montanachad thread starter macrumors regular

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    I got convinced by liberals to apply for social security. I paid into it for over 20 years of working - like 5% of my paycheck, or something like that, SSDI (Social Security Disability Insurance) . Now I pay 96.00 a month for Medicare, which as of tomorrow I'm canceling due to its uselessness. Now, here comes the real change: working. I'm looking.

    SSI (Supplemental Security Income) is for people who have not worked and have paid nothing into social security. This is a waste of government resources.

    You see, I've experienced welfare and hate it. I also, proudly, paid back 8,000.00 to the state of Washington for the GA payments. Six months ago I said "no thank you" to food stamps, and now in later 2008 I'm saying no thank you to Medicare. Next comes saying no thank you to SSDI and working and saving for my own retirement.
     
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    It's nice these people and the OP have done this. If you can make it on your own then more power to you.

    But that doesn't mean we should take away the safety net for everyone.

    How are these "charity" safety nets going to function if we suddenly push EVERYONE onto their rolls?
     
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    I agree completely that the current system is broken, but you lost me here.

    Let me see if I am following. You are saying that giving your government issued social security number to the government is an invasion of privacy? Did I miss something? :eek:
     
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    The Libertarians are proposing a dollar for dollar tax credit. For example, if you buy a Street Roots homeless newspaper from the guy on the corner in downtown Portland for one dollar, he could give a tax receipt credit for one dollar.
     
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    That might encourage some to give more, but not many. The people who give the most are typically the ones that are least able to give. That's why in times of poor economy, charities suffer because the "middle class" or lower is where they get most of their money, ironically.

    I don't think getting rid of government welfare is going to be replacement, in any large fraction, by charities. We need both.
     
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    And you don't see any potential for abuse here? :confused:
     
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    I agree with you on that one....

    I can understand why that are asking for that information as well. It is to protect against abuse of the system. For example I could live with my parents but if I made no income I could request food stamps yet my parents make well over the limit for that.

    Also it is there to get a true count of how many people live there are to figure out how much in food stamps to give them. it protects against people lieing and cheating for free government hand outs. We already can find countless examples of people abusing the system lets not make it even easier.
     
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    Sorry, I think the idea of the Libertarians of making everything free market isn't going to go down very well anymore (until we short-sighted and no memory Americans reverse course again). Financial institutions will somehow regulate themselves? No. Businesses in general will regulate themselves? No. Corporations will see that environmentally sound practices make good business sense, and do it on their own? No.

    And now ... the 1% of the population with 23% of the nation's wealth will somehow pass extra along money to charities out of the goodness of their hearts? Yeah, right. (since the Libertarian proposal is to drastically lower taxes, they'd have to give even more than the tax offset to make up for it, so it would be "extra") How many billionaires do we have in this country? Does ANYONE need a billion dollars, even if they want their great great great grandchildren to live extremely well off and be 100% worry-free financially from birth? They're perfectly free to help charities out now, and don't. The Red Cross, the most mainstream charity in the country, had to borrow money for Hurricane Ike (luckily credit wasn't frozen from the free market "success" yet). And then, since Libertarians are against all regulation, I'm sure they'd be arguing against regulation of the charities. So a $1 to the Society to Build a Bridge to Nowhere would get the same tax break as $1 to a group that really fills the much wider gap you're envisioning between what the government offers and what is needed. But somehow, magically, it will all work out?

    And, for the original topic: now we're calling medicare, which as has been pointed out, is a system only for people who have paid in, "welfare?" I don't think many seniors would agree with that label, or the idea that it's not generally a good program (although worse now that Bush got involved)
     
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    This is priceless :D!
     
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    I was homeless and looking for work. This telemarketing place was going to hire me, but I was warned to not get a job. This agency of liberal psychologists called BHR (Behavior Health Resources) convinced me to go to the SS office and apply. It was weird, I felt old and inadequate. All these psychologists said I was ADHD, Bipolar, Schizo Affective, Paranoid Schizo, and there was something wrong with me because I was living in a tent in the woods. :eek:

    Anyways, I have a book full of references for anything from food assistance to professional work clothing to baby stuff to help paying for electrical...etc. Maybe it's the kindness of people in the area I live. There's lots of poor people who use these resources and hate the welfare system. I had a long talk today with a homeless Veteran who loved Ron Paul and hated the welfare system and would not take handouts from the "socialist government" - as he put it. :D
     
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    Liberal psychologists are the worst. Especially when they band together and form an agencies :mad:. They need to be stopped before conservatives everywhere are convinced to become socialist.
     
  17. montanachad thread starter macrumors regular

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    At least I got SSDI, which is based upon what I paid into SS. However if I had the option of choosing my own retirement with privatized SS, I would have been making a lot more than 835.00 per month.

    Oh yeah, I meet another former homeless guy who's currently living in a cheap motel and he is writing in Ron Paul. :D

    Psychology isn't even science. How does a ten minute meeting with a psychologist prove Bipolar or any "disease"? Of course that's a totally different topic for a new thread.
     
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    I am convinced government can work as it does in some other countries. What we need to get past is the politicizing of issues and work together. If we expand the government, we shouldn't favor the pet projects of the GOP and keeping a strong military over social programs of the Democrats that help the poor, or vice versa. We shouldn't favor a liberal proposal for mass transit over a conservative proposal for cheap, clean, and safer nuclear energy, or vice versa.

    When we work together, as highly rated Clinton did with the Republicans, and highly rated Ronald Reagan did with the Democrats, then things get done. Other parties such as the Libertarians, Green Party, and others need a strong voice in helping all of us find solutions instead of political infighting but that may take a long time.

    I am definitely a liberal, but have been around the block and realize that some who attack your points of view from the liberal side are doing it with a liberal bias automatically tagging you as a Republican, or neo-conservative Republican.

    I hope the system gets better, from both sides of the aisle and we don't have a broken military, broken social programs, or a broken energy policy. Personally, I think the best thing most Green party members or Libertarian members can do, at this point in the process, is to work within the Democrats or Republicans and stand for change for the issues neither party are willing to take a strong look at.
     
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    Sounds like the system isn't working for you.


    I agree....lets retry....Kucinich is up to the task I'm sure ;)
     
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    I like Kucinich, and I think Obama can approach his ideals.
     

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