Disaster or Return to Government of the People: A 4 Candidate General in 2016?

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  1. nbs2 macrumors 68030

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    Let's suppose that the GOP establishment goes full bore and throws everything they have to stop Trump. Because of that attack, Trump launches a competing Independent bid.

    At the same time, Democrats get sick of Hillary's constant foibles (she's like Joe Biden, only somehow able to be less racist and less like able at the same time). They embrace Bernie. As a result, Bloomberg launches an Independent bid.

    www.nytimes.com/2016/01/24/nyregion/bloomberg-sensing-an-opening-revisits-a-potential-white-house-run.html

    We end up with GOP, Trump, Bernie, and Bloomberg. The question is, is this an unmitigated disaster or does it lead us into a new era of political positioning where voters find candidate they can fully support instead of having to compromise?

    Moreover, who wins the WH?
     
  2. jnpy!$4g3cwk macrumors 65816

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    A probable disaster. These are the circumstances in which Trump could win the Electoral College.
     
  3. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    I don't believe in "unmitigated disaster."

    If what we have is four years of poor leadership, then there is incentive to amend that mistake in the next election.
     
  4. LizKat macrumors 68040

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    Why wait until next election, the right plans to impeach Clinton before she's inaugurated.
     
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    Hmmm Bernie vs. two billionaires and a likely millionaire.

    I wonder who's gonna win that.
     
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    What does Michael Bloomberg offer that can't be found in the other two parties?
     
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    C'mon, you know: think of the ad revenue!
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    The spectacle of a media mogul running for office. Real Estate and Charitable Foundations not being enough.

    Why not see if we can get Bezos on some line to even it all out.
     
  8. chown33 macrumors 604

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    The 12th Amendment specifies what happens:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelfth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

    If there's no absolute majority (more than half the electors vote for the same candidate), then the House of Representatives immediately votes. Again, a candidate only wins with more than half of the total votes cast.

    If that vote fails to produce a President, then the sitting Vice President becomes President.

    So in a truly divided vote, it's conceivable that Joe Biden could become President without even running.

    I wonder how many of the candidates have read the short story "The Monkey's Paw"?
     
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    Is that the story that ends with Hillary knocking at the door?
     
  10. chown33 macrumors 604

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    No, it's the one that starts with Hillary's shriveled hand reaching out from the grave jail.
     
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    Trump wins and says, "oh **** I didn't expect this episode of The Apprentice to go this far, I don't want to do this crap." And drops out last minute.
     
  12. nbs2 thread starter macrumors 68030

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    It's 2016. If you aren't using hyperbole, you're a failure.

    You're right, there is an opportunity for correction after 4 years. But, I doubt the left/right would have considered 2004/2012 a correction to 4 years of poor leadership. Even with a change, seeing as how I still hear people blame Bush for today's problems, the effects of a 2016-2020 administration may linger for years.
     
  13. jnpy!$4g3cwk macrumors 65816

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    Trump wins even if he loses. The world begins to resemble a reality TV show.
     
  14. LizKat macrumors 68040

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    You could be on to something. Trump doesn't really want to run (or as you have it, to win and then have to do the job!), The GOP know this, so to deflect a problematic third party run by Trump just for the snap of it, they swing now to supporting him and are hoping he keeps up in polls, wins some primaries, freaks out and quits.

    Leaving the GOP then to do God knows what, though. Either they'd have to hope he drops out before super Tuesday, or else they have already decided to try a brokered convention with whatever they can round up by then. They cannot expect to parachute Bush into a convention where Cruz and Trump combined showed where the sene of the party was.

    I keep having trouble deciding whether to break out the popcorn or update my passport.
     
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    Come now, my good fellow [irony], there's more to 2016 than hyperbole [sarcasm]. To be hyperbolic it must be at least a dismal failure [ironic understatement]. On a roughly increasing scale come wretched, abject, and colossal or monumental [satire]. Sadly, the word epic long ago lost all its hyperbolic tenor [sardonic remorse].
     
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    TBH, I know at least one family with citizenship options that seems to be preparing to bail out if Trump wins. I wonder how widespread this is.
     
  17. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    I know, right?

    Luckily, I'm fast losing interest and will hopefully die before it gets much worse.

    One can only hope.
     
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    I've been thinking about buying a farm in Wyoming or Montana and waiting out the next decade or so Unabomber style (sans the whole exploding package thing).

    It's nice to know that exasperation is one of the few things that stretches across both sides of the aisle.
     
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    IT WILL BE THE LITERAL END OF THE WORLD! WE'RE TALKING LOCUSTS HERE! :mad:
     
  21. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    Are you on the other side of the aisle?

    I lose track.
     
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    That's interesting, I didn't know it was an absolute majority, I figured it was who has the most of all the parties. No wonder we don't see a more active 3rd party.

    So if we have 3 parties, 1 person still has to get to 270, no wonder we don't have a 3rd party.

    So it would go to the House and the R's have vast control there. If they don't pick the right one, they get the WH but split their party because a lot of people would leave.

    Some 75% of the people don't like the direction of the nation and if things don't change for the better, we could be on the edge of a revolution.
     
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    Laws that seem good but have massive loopholes? Like the ban he'd signed on sugar drinks except for the small size, for which it costs more per ounce compared to the larger sizes... that's not "socialism", not by any definition of the word (e.g. the wrong ones the misinformed pundits bandy around).

    Wouldn't it be interesting if a 3-way year ended up < 270?

    People have said that since the coked up singers of 1968 and that's all they cared about, and decades later even blaming their listeners/customers that made them rich for taking their advice they sung about (in using drugs), as opposed to apologizing for being wrong in advocating drug use since they had gone to rehab and the rest!
     
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    I might be misreading things but I think the Speaker of the House i.e. Paul Ryan would actually become acting president.
     

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