Disk Warrior 3 -- Finally?

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RailHeadDesign and MacBidouille posted screenshots and information on DiskWarrior 3 -- which has been long in the coming. From Railhead:

A Sneak Peek version was handed out at Macworld, and I?ve been playing with it for a few days ? and let me tell you: DiskWarrior 3 is great! Like many others, this program has saved my rear on more than one occasion, and it?s nice to have an OS X version if for no other reason than to simply know you have it just in case you need it.
 

Nipsy

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Played with it a lot at MSWF, and they claimed late Feb/March release.
 

coolbreeze

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Hmm, $70 seems a little steep...but then again, from what I understand, this has been a long time coming for macs. (I'm a recent switcher w/a powerbook on the way).

So a defrag utility doesn't exist for mac os?
 

Nipsy

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Defrag is overrated in HFS+ UNIX, as the utilities which do it are immature, and often cause distinct harm.

Disk Warrior is an incredibly powerful tool, which can repair disks which you thought were goners. After it saves your ass once, you won't be thinking $70 is too steep.

Caveat: I sure haven't needed DiskWarrior since moving to X on day 1, but it'll be nice to know it's there.
 

Bradcoe

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yes defrag os x

Boot off of the Norton Utilities cd and you can defrag your mac runing os x. I believe it has to be version 2, someone double check on this. Macs have never been able to defrag the boot volume (while having booted off of it obviously) like other disk format os's can.
 

Nipsy

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Here is the safest method for hard drive repair, without data loss:
Disk First Aid
fsck -y
DiscWarrior (from 9)
Drive 10
Norton (last resort, also from 9 CD)

These issues have been beaten to death at macgurus.com, and Norton is clearly the losing utility. Disc Warrior does the BEST HDD directory repair (not directory like folder, but the master for the whole drive). It is the most favored tool of all the techies I've worked with, or who have worked for me. Drive 10 appears to have recovered somewhat from the issues it had in the 10.0 days. Norton is ONLY used as a last ditch effort before sending the drive to RMA/data recovery land.

Furthermore, in my experience without about 400 end users over the last few years, the hot shots who installed Norton on their own all came crying to me (after my contract was over, because it had fscked something up).

Whatever you do do not install Norton, use it only from the CD. If you install Norton onto an X volume, it will fsck things up!

Now, on the subject of optimizing, I have not optimized my drive in a long time (OS 9 days). I have switched a few drives around, but I've been using a dual 120GXP striped RAID on a SIIG RAID card for about a year without reformatting. It benches today, as it did when set up. I have experienced 0 application slowdown, and have noticed 0 ill effects from not optimizing. Furthermore, drives from Apple as delivered from a IDE master copier, do not match Norton's optimization scheme, which proves that it is incorrect, as Apple drives match closely when new. On top of that, I have heard from 4 of my clients, and countless web forums, of drives becoming unusable after being optimized with Norton.

If you wanna do it, go right ahead, but having worked very closely with X, end-users, and storage since X was released, I choose not to.
 

j763

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We put an article out some time ago about Disk Utilties on the mac. Although it was written mid last year, the information is still completely accurate.

In short...

- Having nothing is better than having Norton Utilites for Mac

- TechTool is OK for diagnosing hardware problems, but I wouldn't let it do anything to my hard drive. Its hard drive work is *slightly* better than Norton.

- DiskWarrior just kicks ass. I've never had it make a drive worse (and believe me, I've had a lot of damaged drives to test it on) -- which the other two, especially Norton, most certainly have. I've only rarely ran into a disk that DiskWarrior can't repair perfectly -- and that disk was really gone.

So yeah... DiskWarrior is worth it and you're supporting a fantastic product made by a fantastic company.

I wouldn't sell Nortons, TechTool or Drive X to my worst enemy.
 

jwsellers

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Originally posted by Nipsy
Here is the safest method for hard drive repair, without data loss:
Disk First Aid
fsck -y
DiscWarrior (from 9)
Drive 10
Norton (last resort, also from 9 CD)
I have to agree with Nipsy here. Norton is the last resort, but you can't count it out entirely. I had a drive a few weeks ago which couldn't even be seen by Disk First Aid, DiskWarrrior, Drive 10, Disk Utility, or Drive Setup. Only Norton could find it, and I used Norton to rebuild the directory to the point I could use DiskWarrior to really rebuild the directory.

And to disagree with one thing Bradcoe said, Macs could optimize boot volumes at least since the end of 1989 when DiskExpress II came out.
 

Duff-Man

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Originally posted by coolbreeze
Hmm, $70 seems a little steep...but then again, from what I understand, this has been a long time coming for macs. (I'm a recent switcher w/a powerbook on the way).
Duff-Man says....$70 is *very* reasonable for the great job DW does. My credit card is all warmed up and ready to go....Oh Yeah!
 

mac15

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I've had DW3 for a few weeks now and its great, its very fast at optmising.
 
Sounds like DW is a nice piece of recovery software to try out. I haven't used anything other than Norton (and Disk Utility, of course).

Can't wait for the OS X release.

Oh, BTW, I've got a Norton SystemWorks with me and there is this thing called "Disk Warrior Recovery Edition" in it. I guess it's a trimmed down version of the DW? As long as I use it for recovery purposes only, it's the same stuff as DW full-package edition, right?
 

lazyrighteye

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I purchased DW2 about 6 months ago, and inquired about the next version that would fully operate under X. Was told then that DW3 would be out in a few months, and that it would cost me full price (even as a registered DW woner).
While that does sorta suck, like someone above mentioned: $70 to save your arse won't feel so bad. But it would be nice of DW to cut their users a little break. If only in principle...

lazyrighteye
 

PieMac

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Originally posted by Nipsy

Whatever you do do not install Norton, use it only from the CD. If you install Norton onto an X volume, it will fsck things up!
...so what if you've already installed Norton? What will this do? And is there a way to uninstall it and undo any possible damage done?
:confused:
 

Nipsy

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Crashes due to Symantec (Norton) extensions
If you have tried Norton with OSX and removed it, but are still having crash problems, this may help: (from MacFixIt)

quote:Removing Norton aliases from the System Some users have reported that removing extensions to the kernel created by Symantec's Norton Utilities often resolves Apple System Profiler freeze problems. Apparently, System Profiler chokes on the Norton file, and does not proceed. Mark Rougeux writes:

"I looked in System/Library/Extensions, and found two items beginning with "Sym..." The first was SymDC.kext, which was an alias; the second SymOSXKernelUtilities. Not knowing if both had come from Symantec, and fearing the worst if I removed a file with OSX in its name, I removed the alias (had to startup into OS 9 to do so). After removing only the alias, and restarting in OS X, System Profiler works great. "



You need to remove the old extensions cache as well. (This action may help a fragile system in and of itself!). Type the following in terminal: (the % is the prompt, don't type it)

% cd /system/library/

% sudo rm -i extensions.kextcache

% sudo rm -i extensions.mkext

Now do a restart, which will take longer since the system rebuilds its extensions cach.
 

PieMac

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Thanks, Nipsy. I haven't had any problems with anything as of yet, but then I also haven't ever run Norton Utilities either... Just Live update and NAV. So perhaps as long as I don't run Utilities I will be ok. I would like to keep NAV installed as I do find it useful.
 

gopher

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I've had dozens of hard disks that have been zapped with nothing left by Norton except a ? disk. Boot from an external hard disk or CD, and Norton made that volume invisible. 99% of the time Disk Warrior has made disks that Norton caused to become invisible work again. The 1% of the time it didn't work, the hard drive was already dead, or in a real stiction situation that could only be fixed by opening the drive itself. What Disk Warrior does differently from Norton is that Disk Warrior looks only at the directory of the hard disk, creates a replacement for it, and asks the user if the replacement is close enough to the original it could find. Then when it replaces it, it reveals some recovered files. In all the times I've run it, the recovered files amounted to nothing more than temporary text files. Norton's File by File approach is more dangerous, and being it never really understood HFS+ fully, you are playing fire when playing with Norton. It may work for awhile, but the day that Norton kills of your hard disk, is the day you hope you have a backup handy. Because once gone, Disk Warrior is about your only salvation from Norton other than a full backup to another volume.

Even Coursey agrees:

http://www.zdnet.com/anchordesk/stories/story/0,10738,2862263,00.html

And he is a former Mac basher turned switcher!

Norton Anti-Virus is an OK antivirus program. But Norton Disk Doctor and Speed Disk are the dangerous products by Symantec which should be avoided unless you already have a backup handy in case of failure.
 
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Strange. Ive been doing Mac support for over 3 years at a major univeristy and a community college and I have run Norton on nearly every single mac here and have never had norton 'zap' a drive or do any harm at all. 99% of the time it solves problems. The previous Mac technician also ran norton for 5 years without it 'crashing' any mac hard drives and was the one the turned me onto it. In fact Ive had several instances of totally crashed mac's and running norton utilities brought them back to life.

I don't ever install it I boot of the CD and run disk doctor, and/or disk optimizer.
 

hsilver

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Originally posted by lazyrighteye
I purchased DW2 about 6 months ago, and inquired about the next version that would fully operate under X. Was told then that DW3 would be out in a few months, and that it would cost me full price (even as a registered DW woner).
While that does sorta suck, like someone above mentioned: $70 to save your arse won't feel so bad. But it would be nice of DW to cut their users a little break. If only in principle...

lazyrighteye
I also bought Disk Warrior about six months ago. They do offer an upgrade for $47.00 incl postage. I ordered it 3 months ago and just got it last week.
 
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