Disney Drops PewDiePie and YouTube Distances Itself After Reports of Anti-Semitic Videos

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  1. shyam09 macrumors 68000

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    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/business/pewdiepie-youtube-disney.html?smid=tw-share

    http://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...-star-pewdiepie-after-anti-semitic-posts.html

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/feb/13/pewdiepie-youtube-star-disney-antisemitic-videos

    WSJ was the first to carry this article I think, but their site has a lovely "subscribe to read the rest" so :rolleyes:

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    Here's a Youtuber's (h3h3productions) take on it since he knows Pewdiepie. He believes that things were taken out of context, and it was a humorous approach.



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    My reaction: Whether there was context or not, whether it was supposed to be a joke or not, it wasn't something appropriate to do. He should have foreseen the possible circumstances.
     
  2. takao macrumors 68040

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    i suspect pewdiepie is stuck on his own internet bubble (4chan influence ?) in private and thus deemed such jokes appropiate. There are literally hundreds of other funny/ironic things he could have choosen for this clip about this "get things done for 5 dollar" internet service. Yet he took this choice. Even after lower voiced criticism before.

    Disney at it's core is a family entertainment cooperation. And their reputation is also their capital. They are well known to fire/cut artists(who generate money for them) who cross boundaries.
    The main target group of PewDiePie are teenagers and very young adults. If PewDiePie makes casual jokes about killing jews, many of them will also consider such jokes appropiate for themselves. That isn't something Disney wants.
    Since i have watched countless of Disney content over the years i would even say it is opposite their core values.

    Free speech just means you won't get arrested for what you say. It doesn't necessarily mean that your employeer has to continue to pay you for it.
     
  3. Appleaker, Feb 16, 2017
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    I agree with h3h3productions (who, along with knowing PewDiePie, is also Jewish) on this, however being such a large Youtuber, he shouldn't have done it along with the fact that those kind of jokes easily offend (although this depends on the audience). I do think that the media coverage is misleading, especially to people who don't know anything about the situation, but again I think he shouldn't have done it.
     
  4. Appleaker, Feb 16, 2017
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    No, he is not stuck in his own internet bubble and it is not "4chan influence", but it is online influence, including YouTube (he isn't the only one on YouTube to use these kind of jokes). And there was no lower voiced criticism before because previous videos could not be considered anti-semitic regardless of references to Nazis. That was a twisted report from WSJ. I agree that this video went to far and the video contained 2 jokes that were considered anti-semitic.

    I agree with you that he should have chosen from the hundreds of other options instead. Not only do I disagree with the jokes, but I also think that being such a large Youtuber, he shouldn't have considered going that far. The fact that his audience goes below teenage years making this even worse from an influential standpoint. While the all 53 million subscribers he has aren't his audience considering the views on his videos, I would say that a low proportion of viewers may have been previously exposed to those kind of jokes/found them funny. But I could be wrong.

    As for Disney, he will continue to earn a large sum of money without Maker Studios or YouTube Red. If it gets to a point where income is a problem, I guess he'll have to reduce spending including charity donations. He's not making a fuss about this or begging Disney/YouTube, but he is rightfully complaining about the misleading media coverage. I would agree that it is not in line with Disneys core values, although I don't know if I could say that in their early years.

    You seem to have the attitude that the 'joke' had genuine meaning in the sense that PewDiePie is anti-semitic. This is not true, so it is not a case of free speech. But I agree that the sense of humor he used wasn't to most peoples taste. Having said all of this, I think Disney and YouTube wouldn't have acted if it weren't for the media coverage (due to the channels size).

    Is PewDiePie anti-semitic in any way? No.
    Did he go to far? This is split, but I would say yes.
    Has he admitted his mistakes and apologized? Yes.
    Is some of the media coverage misleading? Yes.
    Everything considered, I think PewDiePie was wrong and I don't agree with these jokes due to their insensitive and influential nature.

    As for your comments regarding Disney (i.e. Maker Studios), I think you will be interested in checking out another channel they are the network for - iDubbbzTV.
     
  5. unlinked macrumors 6502a

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    I gather it is just the usual click-bate , take stuff out of context , outrage journalism I have come to expect. I can see why Disney would distance themselves from him. Based on the stuff of his I have been exposed to indirectly he doesn't seem very Disney so I'm not sure why they were involved with him in the first place.



     
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    Maybe that's because most parents let Disney and socialist teachers educate their children instead of doing it themselves, so we need to punish people like PewDiePie for making jokes that violate their safe spaces
     
  7. MarkusL macrumors 6502

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    Did socialist teachers tell you anyone has a right to Disney's money, and Disney withholding it is "punishment"?
     
  8. Abazigal macrumors 604

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    It's a package deal. You want the fame that comes with making politically incorrect jokes, you get the drawbacks and repercussions that come with it.
     
  9. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    Funny. Back in the 1950s - when America was great - kids ran around on the street unattended.
     
  10. iDemiurge macrumors 6502

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    Disney was not giving money to PewDiePie, they had a business deal with PieDiePie. Now, while any private company has the right to keep or cancel business deals with whomever they want, cancelling one in the said circumstances has all the hallmarks of a boycott, and boycotting is punishment.
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    Yes, parents who don't educate their children prefer to lock them up at home with Disney. So we found common ground on an issue for a change.
     
  11. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    I can go with that, but we'd likely need some structured rules to allow it. For example, its not the responsibility of the car driver if they hit a child at low speed (say <15mph) and make sure kids are old enough to understand the dangers of traffic. And if both things are the case we explicitly say it's no big deal and just an accident on both sides unless it happens repeatedly.

    My experience is that you are basically forced to report it if you nearly hit a child so if you or one of your neighbours does hit them you don't get in trouble when the parents inevitably report you for it.

    You also need to work out some sensible standards to make sure they don't annoy the **** out of all their neighbours by not being too noisy and not always playing in the same place.

    I suspect there are benefits to kids playing on the street, but it would be hard to prove given the worst parents are much more likely to allow it.
     
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    For a better understanding I ask my German buddy.
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    Unless you are an SJW like Sarah Silverman

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  13. Eraserhead, Feb 18, 2017
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    How is Silverman being anti-Semitic?

    And how is it OK to pay people to hold up a sign saying "death to all Jews"? And what about the other anti-Semitic comments?
     
  14. cfedu macrumors 65816

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    Dressing up as a nazi?
     
  15. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    Yeah it's a satire...
     
  16. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    Apparently it was a Conan skit. If we're going to blame someone, blame Conan as well.

     
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    Aparently some wall street journal journalists turned up at his home yesterday looking for a comment.

    Maybe they should have gotten one before they ran a story about him. Also maybe they should have tried to contact him by a manner more professional that turning up on his doorstep. This is all journalism 101 (at least from any of the movies about journalism I have seen : )
     
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    As well as his stuff, so why is it bad when he does it?
     
  19. shyam09 thread starter macrumors 68000

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    Not a SJW? (just throwing something out there)
     
  20. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    PewDiePie can still post videos on youtube. He can still enthrall his of millions subscribers with ... whatever it is he does.

    The only difference here is that Disney is not going to affiliate themselves with him. They have that right. Disney gets to pick and choose who they want to do business with, and I'm sure that many times in the past they have chosen to sever business ties with people without considering the whole context behind that decision.

    If Disney wishes to reconsider their decision, that's up to them. If some other entity wants to help PewDiePie sell merchandise and spread his message to the world, that opportunity is open to them. This is the FREE MARKET at work.

    I thought you guys were pro free market.
     
  21. cfedu macrumors 65816

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    The uproar is not about what Disney or Google did, it is about the MSM taking PewDiePie out of context and slandering him. This is the free market at work, by either breach of libel laws or a loss of subscribers for the WSJ, things should work out.
     
  22. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    Get your boycott on.

    Let me know how it works out for you.
     
  23. cfedu macrumors 65816

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    Get your goal post moving.

    Let me know how it works out for you.
     
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    Welcome to the world we live in.

    Shara Silverman?
    Cute, only Nixon could go to China.
     
  25. JayMysterio macrumors 6502

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    No, that was some more victim spin he was pushing in his video. As you pointed out, it's journalism 101 & courtesy to contact the subject of your article. WSJ tried to contact him and he didn't respond.

    While it's invasive, I imagine the attempt to interview him at his home was another try to induce a response.

    Once again, deflection in action. The true issue here is that Pewdiepie had a choice. Anything could have been put on that sign, but he chose a message to get attention. When the attention wasn't the kind he wanted, it suddenly became others didn't understand his humor/jokes. Disney is a worldwide business, they want to sell to EVERYONE or as many as they can. You offend any of them, you're interfering with Disney's money, which means you're gone. It's not like this was the first time Pewdiepie did something of questionable humor and got called on it. You'd think with his branding he'd learn by now.
     

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