Do Just As Many Women Rape Men?

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  1. cfedu macrumors 65816

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    What privilege are you talking about?
    The privilege that male genitals are not protected under law like female genitals.
    The privilege that female on male rape is not in the definition of rape by the DOJ
    The privilege where family courts are biased against men,
    The privilege to pay child support for children that are not yours
    The privilege where some people think its wrong for men to defend themselves when hit by a woman
    The privilege where male rape victims have to pay their rapist child support
    The privilege to go to wars and die
    The privilege where most scholarships are for women and minorities even though more women attend university than men.
    The privilege that men have to be taught not to rape when just as many women rape men.
     
  2. zin macrumors 6502

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    The definition of rape was changed in 2012 by the DoJ.
     
  3. cfedu thread starter macrumors 65816

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    There is a difference between qualified and most qualified.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ngly-that-women-are-favored-for-jobs-in-stem/

    "Female candidates are now twice as likely to be chosen as equally qualified men."
    Which does to include a woman forcing a man to penetrate a woman. If a man is tied up, and 50 women force him to penetrate them and it's not rape as per the 2012 DOJ definition of rape.

    The new definition is:

    “The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.”
     
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    They're now hiring more women than men, possibly. But there are still considerably more men than women in STEM positions, last I checked.

    Now if it's merely a temporary trend to try and "even the playing field" so to speak, I don't have a problem with it. If it continues for the foreseeable future, then yeah, it could start to be considered discriminatory.


    The official definition is...

    “The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.”

    ...which could be used equally for women and men.

    Source
     
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    It can't be used unless they penetrate his anus or mouth. The CDC also does not put men who are made to penetrate in the rape category, that is why the statistics show that more females are raped then men.

    http://time.com/3393442/cdc-rape-numbers/
     
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    It pretty much covers the whole set of sexual acts that can be performed on anyone.

    Also, the CDC doesn't have any real say in what constitutes rape. Their primary concern is likely to be the spread of STDs, which would require some form of penetration. The DOJ, on the other hand, does. And their definitions of rape covers just about every sexual act that can be performed or forced upon someone in one nice, little sentence.

    So no, since 2012, women don't have more leeway when it comes to a legal definition of rape. Yeah, it does require some form of penetration, but that's kind of the base standard of rape for either gender.

    If a man forcibly penetrates a women, it's rape on his part. If a woman forces a man to penetrate her, it's rape on her part. If there's any forced mouth on genitalia action, it's rape depending on who's doing the forcing.

    The only caveat is the social stigma. People rarely ever take male rape seriously. But the legal definition to provide for a solid case is now there.
     
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    Just as many women rape men? Data please.

    BTW- women are fighting for the right to being in combat alongside men. it's men that are blocking that. Most of your list is a product of men's policies, not women's.
     
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    I think you are reading that DOJ definition with a bias in your head. It quite clearly states that if a woman forces a man to penetrate her, that that is rape by the woman. Here, I substituted the words to clearly illustrate this for you:

    The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus (of a woman) with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another (a woman), without the consent of the (man).”
     
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    http://time.com/3393442/cdc-rape-numbers/

    Numbers are from the CDC.
     
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    That's not how the English language works


    https://board.freedomainradio.com/topic/41322-women-cant-rape-men-at-least-not-with-their-vaginas/


    Should read more like this


    Rape - penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by, or with, a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim being penetrated or made to penetrate.
     
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    Ah, so you are putting the "oh, I'll have sex with you only because you guilted me into it or I passed out drunk with a woman in bed and she climbed on top of me but I really didn't feel that upset about it later" kind of rape into the same category as being "physically forced to the ground and having a penis or object violently shoved inside your body" kind of rape.
     
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    The law makes no distinction between "I passed out drunk" rape and "forcible rape" when a woman is the victim, so why should it make that distinction when a man is?
     
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    What you wrote means the same thing as the other but is unnecessarily awkward. Name a case where the original wording prevented a man from prosecuting a woman for rape.
     
  14. laurim macrumors 68000

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    It doesn't. Just saying that saying something like "women rape men as often as men rape women" implies that women are going around stalking men and doing extreme violent physical sexual acts on them. They're not.
     
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    Nice that you ignored the link into why it was written like that.
     
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    They are as per the CDC. The 1/5 number also comes from the CDC, or do you just cherrypick the numbers? Notice how the CDC also does not interpret the definition as you do.
     
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    If you read the article closely, it plainly says violent rape between mixed sexes is squarely on the male violating female side.

    "But if that’s the case, it is just as misleading to equate a woman’s experience of alcohol-addled sex with the experience of a rape victim who is either physically overpowered or attacked when genuinely incapacitated. For purely biological reasons, there is little doubt that adult victims of such crimes are mostly female"
     
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    I was curious and read the article, and almost quoted that very line.

    But I decided against it because the discussion didn't lead me to believe cfedu would be too receptive to that information.
     
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    Nice to know that you do not think that men who are made to penetrate are not real rape victims.
    So why does the CDC not use that definition? The entire reason for the DOJ definition is so that organizations like the CDC can conduct surveys.

    As per the CDC in the previous 12 months just as many men were made to penetrate as women that were raped, you sound like a rape apologist
    You said that a majority population could never be discriminated against, again you are wrong as it has happened many times in history.



    So are you saying that men who have been raped are not victims. I gave you the source were men are raped by women at almost the same rate as females raped by men. Why are you trying to trivialize male rape victims as not being real victims. You sound like a rape apologist.

    Both you and Renzatic have been saying that the DOJ definitions includes men who have been made to penetrate, and now you are both saying that that is not rape.
     
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    I never mentioned that female rape was not as bad as male rape, I was just showing how just as many men are raped by females as females are rapes by males in the previous 12 months.

    The 1/5 Women have been raped/sexually assaulted in their lifetime is also from the CDC survey, so if I am to believe those numbers I think it would be fair to believe the others.

    Do you think that men who have been made to penetrate are real rape victims?
     
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    What I'm saying is, you are basically lumping together people who have been punched in the face with people who have been shot. Both assault victims, not at the same level of harm. Men who have been forcibly raped in prison are equivalent to women who have been forcibly raped by men. But keep trying to force your point with false equivalencies. It's entertaining. I'm sure many men are in counseling and unable to have relationships because a woman once climbed onto their morning wood and took advantage of them in their sleep. :rolleyes:

    To answer your question "are those men real rape victims?" Yes, if THEY say they are. And clearly from the article, they didn't think they were because when asked if they had ever been raped, they said no unless someone penetrated THEM. It was only after the specific expanded definition of rape was presented to them they said that had happened to them. Apparently, they weren't that bothered by it.

    Obviously something has happened in your life to make you so obsessed with this and I'm sorry that happened to you. If you were a child and forced to perform with a woman that was wrong and rape and child abuse. Did a woman hold a gun to your head and force you to perform? I know some erections are involuntary but I'm surprised a man can get one under stress like that. Maybe someone can enlighten me.
     
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    So a man who is tied up, given viagra and jerked off for his seamen is not a rape victim, this happened. They are other men who have had the same happen. You say that Men who are raped as like people who have been slapped and females are like gunshot victims. Just wow, you are a rape apologist. I bet UVA Jackie was a real rape victim to you!!!
     
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    Not sure what you are trying to say. As per the DOJ definition, the CDC would not and do not consider that rape.

    Do you think that male rape victims are not real rape victims? Just by saying saying that male victims are lessor victims it does not help men. There is next to no resources going to these men because people like you trivialize male rape. Almost every man or woman I know laugh when they hear about man who has been raped.

    They best part of being a male rape victim is that if the rapist gets pregnant, the victim is still on the hook for child support, he has the privilege of being further raped for 18 years.
     
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    I'm saying why are you trying so hard to force the definition of rape on a few unicorn events involving women against men to claim that women are as rapey as men are? Men are not in danger of getting raped by women any more than they are in danger of getting raped by dolphins because a few dolphins in the past have stuck their penises in men.
     
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    But they get raped at the same rate as women and even higher if you include prison rape. So I guess women have the same chance as being raped by a man as they do from a Martian. Thanks for confirming you are indeed a rape apologist.
     

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