Do prisoners count into unemployment numbers?

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  1. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    Should they? If you want to drop the unemployment rate would locking people up be an effective strategy?

    Also when determining how productive a populace is wouldn't it be important to account for the productivity loss from people being imprisoned?
     
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    Don't you usually have to be seeking employment in order to be counted as unemployed?
     
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    They definitely don't count towards the unemployment numbers. They've already removed people who have stopped looking and those who have run out of unemployment benefits. If they counted everyone who is able to work legally but isn't the number would be very high.
     
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    Does that depend on what's being produced, or what can be by humans, or why it must be produced to begin with? Or how much value is placed on the work that goes into productivity and why... just how many factors should we consider, and only to partial states or complete ones?

    And what if productivity goes up yet worker wages go down?
     
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    You don't know what you're talking about unemployment benefits have zero to do with the current population survey that the BLS administers and have nothing to do with the unemployment rate. And they have a rate that takes into account people who aren't looking which is a little below ten percent right now it's called the U6 rate
     
  7. Zombie Acorn thread starter macrumors 65816

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    U6 still includes these people why not prisoners?
     
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    They are not included and I suppose in theory it would be effective but there's no evidence to suggest that it is happening, but why would we want to include people who don't have access to the labor market?
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    Because the U6 is a subset of the 250 Million people who are 16 or older and not institutionalized. Again, why include people who can't have access to the labor market?
     
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    To determine how productive the population of your country is. If I lock away everyone who resorts to crime because they can't find a job that's kind of cheating, and with incarceration rates skyrocketing over the last decade I wonder if this is driving the numbers.
     
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    My general maxim about these things is that if your prison population is large enough to affect these metrics, it's too damn large.

    And, yes. Prisoners should be able to vote. Maybe that way, the drug war could finally end.
     
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    I will never agree with allowing prisoners to vote. They have violated the rules of society and are paying the price. They should actually be punished, and not simply locked in a school where they can learn to be better criminals. The US can learn much about punishment from countries like Singapore, with virtually zero recidivism.
     
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    And yet in Norway where they have a prison island there is a reoffending rate of 16% vs a European average of 70% - http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...n/news-story/914148c3fd7f0851521a1bfec28de8bf

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    Its 25%. So decent, but higher than Norway.

    And Singapores prisons may be harsh but they also rehabilitate prisoners afterwards - http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/rate-of-repeat-offenders/2521880.html
     
  13. jerwin macrumors 65816

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    Zero. Twenty Seven Point Four. Twenty Five Point Nine. Twenty Seven Point Six ...

    Really, what's the difference?
     
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    To which numbers are you specifically referring?
     
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