Do You Miss The Old Days?

Discussion in 'MacRumors Old Skool' started by jefhatfield, Jul 11, 2003.

  1. jefhatfield Retired


    Jul 9, 2000
    is it me, or does macrumors seem more impersonal these days?

    while some of the back and forth from the old days like john123 vs spikey and kela, or alphatech vs newbies were sometimes not very friendly, people here had a community and were familiar with each other

    now that macrumors is approaching 20,000 members, is there still the same sense of community?

    ..or does it seem weird because i am the last person standing from macrumor's first six months and from the first year there are perhaps less than half a dozen of us?
  2. Durandal7 macrumors 68040

    Feb 24, 2001
    The Five Eras of the Macrumors Forums

    Chapter 1
    In the beginning there was blakespot and he said "let there be forums" and there were forums. Thus the Macrumors forums were created. The ability to allow comments on news articles began to draw a community that soon swelled to near 1500 and there was rejoicing. Alongside the rejoicing came flamewars, but mostly rejoicing.
    Chapter 2
    But alas, not all was well in the Macrumors forums, the admins grew dissatisfied with the rather primitive comment system and thus the site integrated a new backend. Gone was the primitive comment system and in it's place stood the glorious pillar that was vBulliten. And so it came to pass that in April of the year of our lord 2001 all of the existing members departed on an exodus to the new forums.
    Chapter 3
    Bu August 2001 the ranks of Macrumors began to swell and many familiar faces such as dukestreet began to arrive. Over the next few months Macrumors enjoyed a massive influx of new sane users. But in Feburary 2002 the serenity was shattered. A chosen son was cast out of the glorious forums by God himself, never to return. The message was clear: "One cannot go aginst the word of God." And while most accepted this a few dissented and were exiled or fled.
    Chapter 4
    Community Discussion was enjoying it's golden age until it was shattered. A massive influx of posters with no other purpose then political discussion arrived. The sane members fled while a few were trapped by the Siren's call of flame bait. Finally the political threads were exiled to the darkest corner of the forums, in the hopes that they would never be seen again. The demi-gods began to roam the Earth alongside mortals in this time, it was a time of magic and strife. The Gods even delegated some of their powers to a few Chosen Ones.
    Chapter 5
    We now live in the fifth era. New members who somehow accumulate massive amounts in a short time continually amaze while Hell's minions still attempt their occasional attack on the forums.
  3. job macrumors 68040


    Jan 25, 2002
    in transit
    I got all the references save that one.

    Care to elaborate? ;)

    I would tend to agree with you jef. The only people I really know are Alphatech, King Cobra, and asurace/Durandal7. Now with large amounts of users hitting the much sought after '6502' status, I no longer feel the same sense of community that I did when I started posting (June/July of 2002).
  4. arn macrumors god


    Staff Member

    Apr 9, 2001
    if you stay on and it's subforum, it still has a small site feel to it.


    besides... I don't know why Blakespot gets so much credit. He's only just been someone who helps out from time-to-time. ;)

  5. arn macrumors god


    Staff Member

    Apr 9, 2001
    Re: Do You Miss The Old Days?

    In many ways you are right...

    there are a ton of users... and you don't recognize most of them. I don't recognize a lot of them.

    I think MacRumors has never had a very big "community" feel to it... it's always been very functional. Mac Rumors w/ discussions.

    It did have it's own community of course -- but not in the warm-fuzzy feeling. Spikey et all was during the Arn is an intern and doesn't have time to deal with the forums era. Which meant discussions could get crazy... and I would look into it every few weeks or something.

    In it's chaos, somehow you all emerged. :)

  6. jbomber macrumors 6502a


    Jun 24, 2003
    Brooklyn - NYC
    Er, what's '6502' status?

    Sorry to ask, but i guess i've only been here for a couple weeks.
  7. job macrumors 68040


    Jan 25, 2002
    in transit
    It's when a user hits 500 posts.

    They are a macrumors 6502 and are allowed to have an avatar.

  8. Durandal7 macrumors 68040

    Feb 24, 2001
    spikey, his "chosen son" status is up for debate but since it was a joke I figured it didn't really matter :D
  9. jbomber macrumors 6502a


    Jun 24, 2003
    Brooklyn - NYC
    more drama than 'Days of our Lives'...

    do tell...
  10. Wardofsky macrumors 65816

    Aug 6, 2002
    I think the Demi-G's/Contribs have a seperate community, they are the ones that "Payed to Play" (As duke put's it).

    I also think the one's with avatars that have lasted the test of time make them obvious.

    Those who have access to the Mac info are special ;)

    I think that the DGVPG was a very different ;)
  11. tazo macrumors 68040


    Apr 6, 2003
    Pacific Northwest, Seattle, WA actually
    I know I am not an old schooler by any means, having registered only a few months ago. In that time I have seen the member count grow by well over 3,000. The issue of whether or not continuing expansion of a website is good or not is debatable. I believe that for a person to feel this site is a community, or even that they are part of it, a certain amount of dedication is required. It is like when you first join a bulletin board community. You are out of place, you don't really know how the system works or even how the people react. But I stuck with the website, eventually registering a few months ago.

    Had I not kept reading posts, had I not tried to figure out the rule, had I not attempted to understand what was camaraderie and what wasn't, I may never have felt welcome on this website.

    But enough about me.

    I agree with you jef'. As a website such as this expands, the personal touch of the formed community lessens exponentially. However like a city that expands with more people every year, the services are increased and bettered, and a distinct 'culture' is attained.

    With the ever-growing amount of people joining this site every day, the community will grow. However if the members of this website, the very individuals who make this website even worthwhile do not unite for the prosperity of the site, then any future for the site will have been tarnished.

    Call me crazy, but a community that gets along, lives long.

  12. Wardofsky macrumors 65816

    Aug 6, 2002
    You still have to remember how many people registered are inactive with only a few posts.

    If there was one big purge I'm sure we'll see some more accurate active numbers.

    I'm not saying we should, but there are a lot of inactive members.
  13. WinterMute Moderator emeritus


    Jan 19, 2003
    London, England
    I had a browse through the member lists the other day, I was really surprised at the numbers of members who have never posted at all, and the vast majority of the posters are well below even 100 posts, I have to say that I find the sense of community here much more coherent and friendly than any other forum site.

    I'm sure it's down to the strictness of arn's administration and the good work of the mods, I think a lot of new members would do well to remember this isn't a democracy, it is a benign dictatorship.

    Does V-bulletin allow any stats on log-ins? Theoretically an unused account could be deactivated after a period of time I suppose.

    I've been here six months or so, so I can't claim to be a vet, but I feel like I belong now.
  14. King Cobra macrumors 603

    Mar 2, 2002
    If anyone has the song Bullets by Creed read the first 5 chapters again while playing the song. :eek:

    The change occured when forum members noticed the smallest occurances. Arn, have you ever used two smilies in one post before? :)

    I still like the strictly-dedicated Mac "discussion" that was AlphaTech, spikey, jef, joey j and john123 (two of my favorite forum members).

    The new political MacRumors does not seem so entertaining as before. Yes, there are facts and news as always, but I think the "fun" factor has lacked off slowly.

    Perhaps it was all because of the political discussion that originated, but even when the "geek thread" and funny pictures threads were key threads in the Community section of MacRumors, you couldn't feel the original MacRumors entertainment feeling you would have felt a year ago.

    Also, anologies and casual phrases are not fun. They are indirect and suggestive to false themes. I feel direct impact truth and specific opinions draw in crowds rather than make them think abut what is being said.

    The MacRumors community has gradualy changed from explicit to indirect in only a matter of a few years, and the confusion of the word "fact" with the word "opinion" has coincided with this change. False assumptions are made by some individuals at MacRumors. A member could simply correct the mistake another member made. But sometimes this does not occur.

    When a member corrects another individual's mistakes in the form of a "rant" or an insult, so-called "flamewars" are generated. Such flamewars make up the new MacRumors, with new being anytime a political forum was ever in existance at MacRumors. Add facts and evidence, or even rational experiences to these flamewars, and you have the old MacRumors, which involved more insightful information integrated into flamewars.

    Yes, I miss the old days for that reason. I miss the AlphaTech vs. AmbitiousLemon arguments, which may have been the most intelligent arguments ever held by two MacRumors contributors. I miss the joey j vs. spikey conflicts, which were the longest, one-sided series of conflicts ever at MacRumors.

    Perhaps if we never see these days again, we will see more intelligent days in front of us. But we make our future our past after we have lived it.
  15. job macrumors 68040


    Jan 25, 2002
    in transit
    I hear that. I remember during the months of June/July 2002. Those were fun months, when the Alien thread was still going strong and the Macrumors community really seemed alive. It seemed that everywhere you looked users had certain inside jokes with others which still seemed funny to all the rest. I have yet to laugh that hard since.

    You're right. Something was and still is missing. I don't claim to know what it is, but it just isn't 'fun' anymore. Even with the release of the long awaited G5s, the forums still seem muted, the only exception being the hotly contested PoliWar forum.
  16. King Cobra macrumors 603

    Mar 2, 2002
    >You're right. Something was and still is missing. I don't claim to know what it is, but it just isn't 'fun' anymore.

    I think the fun and entertainment factor is still there, but its integration into MacRumors discussion has changed. The feeling of entertaining and intelligent flamewars has decreased significantly to the point in which individuals feel powerful with underaged and offensive vocabulary within flamewars.

    But, perhaps, this is just my view.

    Here are a few threads serving as examples to my viewpoint. These are the older threads of MacRumors.

    URL the 1st (November 2001)
    URL the 2nd (May 2002)

    Some individuals would incorporate the viewpoint of the Xg5 and spikey wars from February 2002. To those, who can more relate to threads, such as this and this, the only reason for why such threads may appeal to you is the content of the discussion is far below acceptable levels of intelligent discussion. As a matter of my opinion, these levels are so low that they attract individuals, who find this immature extreme appealing, even though this describes nothing else about the reader.

    Many newer flamewars, especially with regard to such in the political section, involve a conglomeration of objectional references and insults, rather than either extreme of intelligent discussion. Even individuals, who do not take offense to such comments, will recognize that other individuals are offended. It is at the moment that such a derogatory comment is either made or address with an even further derogatory remark in which the "fun" factor evolves in a negative fashion.

    I feel that it would be difficult to retrieve that fun factor, since we will forever remember the remarks that changed that factor. I also feel that such a fun factor is brought back to our conscious every time we create threads for the purpose of temporarily setting aside this conscious, because the memories of the offending remarks certain individuals have made are more potent in our minds than a joke, or a picture.

    This is the case for not just MacRumors, but everywhere in life.

    The difference is the "fun" factor is overlayed by the consciousness the most when the relationship between the current environment and the environment in which harsh and degrading comments are most relative to each other.

    For instance, below is a thread at a website called, in which the topic is dedicated to the $64000 question: How do you remove vocals from music? As you read through the thread, as well as the conglomerative comical input by registered users, you will be able to enjoy that fun factor once again without having to worry abut the background of the site.


    The more we encounter offenses to ourselves that impact our conscious, the more attempts we make to find a new opposite extreme to hide our conscious. When we can relate the most to our painful memories, we are not as joyfully entertained as we would be in an environment away from these memories and our own conscious. But both our past and our conscious have this in common: They stay in our lives forever, and we cannnot change them.
  17. Gus macrumors 65816


    Jan 1, 2002
    Cobra, I generally agree with your statements, but I present this

    As a recent example of a very long thread with very few of the insults. It was actually VERY civial for more than 95% of the thread. That said, in the last couple of years, things do seem to have changed, but I don't think it is for the bad. It's just not as, how was it put, "warm and fuzzy" as it once was.

  18. King Cobra macrumors 603

    Mar 2, 2002
    Gus, I can tell you did not have to search that thread for long, as it stuck out in your mind. Perhaps it is an excellent choice, but many new long threads have no/few flamewars, with the exception of politics.

    As for your thread, there are too many offensive references for me to read through, so I closed the window with the thread on the first page.

    I do agree...

    >That said, in the last couple of years, things do seem to have changed, but I don't think it is for the bad. It's just not as, how was it put, "warm and fuzzy" as it once was.

    with that, because the change is not for the bad. It's for the members of MacRumors, who have changed. New faces have arrived on the scene with certain personality traits, and others have left MacRumors, taking with them their unique traits.
  19. MrMacMan macrumors 604


    Jul 4, 2001
    1 Block away from NYC.
    Whoever says the current situation with MacRumors has turned into a flamewar is totally incorrect, if they have every registered anyplace else they would know that the current situation is 10000x better then it could be.

    We have a Hella lot of member that just never even posted, that is bad IMO, but it shows that as we get larger, we have even more empty space.

    Heck I am decreasing ranking because of you people! ;)

    Anyway when people don't know what '6502' Status is, that scares me.
  20. john123 macrumors 68000


    Jul 20, 2001
    I'll put in my two cents' worth....

    The "revolving door" of new members made it a lot harder for people like me to want to post on as consistent a basis. I still use the site very frequently, to read the news articles, and on rare occasions I will read comments...but when you can get a couple hundred posts on a thread in such a short period of time, it feels like your own individual post doesn't matter as much and is less likely to be read.

    The problem for me is that with so many members, there ought to be a little basic courtesy with regard to posting etiquette; specifically, I'd say that if you aren't adding anything to the thread that is well-thought-out, then you should keep it to yourself. The sheer volume of posts that are a couple lines long and contribute nothing to the discussion makes it so much harder to wade through the threads to find the "good" ones.

  21. Squire macrumors 68000


    Jan 8, 2003
    The 6502 Question Finally Answered

    I've been wondering what "6502" meant for ages. I asked a question in the site restructuring thread but got no answer. Searched the FAQ and every (I think) related thread. Still nothing. Not until now, when I stumbled on this thread, was my question finally answered. I actually would like to know the hierarchy, for lack of a better term, of the member designations. And, by the way, what's the significance of the number 6502? Perhaps you could direct me to the thread where this is explained.

    I've been noticing the same thing lately. There are a lot of people who must have a ton of spare time on their hands. I find it amazing how a person can amass 500 posts in a month or so.

  22. MacAztec macrumors 68040


    Oct 28, 2001
    San Luis Obispo, CA
    Old Days

    I miss the old days of when I first joined the site. I remember you jef, and eye, and Kishba I believe.

    There were like 15 main posters. It was awesome.
  23. jsw Moderator emeritus


    Mar 16, 2004
    Andover, MA
    *** On the lab table, one sees an aged and forgotten thread, dusty and desiccated. ***

    *** An evil genius (or mad idiot) stands, hand on switch. ***

    *** The switch is pulled down. ***

    *** Bolts of lightning arc through the room. ***

    *** "It's ALIVE!" ***

    I came across this while verifying Mr. Anderson's previous identity. Yes, it makes me feel like a new pup given the vast age of others' memberships (although I'm now in something like the 33rd percentile in terms of seniority).

    However, I'm posting because I think that, at least to me, the forums do provide a fair sense of community. Perhaps it was missing for a while, back in those years before I stumbled into the light, but I think we feel like a community now. Any of the elders care to comment?
  24. evildead macrumors 65816


    Jun 18, 2001
    WestCost, USA
    old days

    I used to post here a lot more durring the "old days". I think your right about the impersonal feel. I guess thats what happens when something becomes more and more popular. Now days, I just poke my head in now and then.

  25. stcanard macrumors 65816


    Oct 19, 2003
    As somebody who's been around for about a year and a half, I certainly can't comment on what it used to be like, but I get a definite "community" feeling out of MacRumors.

    In the technical forums, the community is very helpful. In the news/rumors forums, people often get off in heated debate, and of course the community forums anything can be talked about. Although there are a lot of members, there a number that stand out in my mind, being either the most prolific posters (edesign comes to mind...) or ones I've had personal battles/arguments with. It definitely leaves me with a feeling of "knowing" people here.

    I've noticed that I remember avatars better than names, that's why I finally got around to adding one myself. So definitely the 6502+ range sticks out in my mind better than the "regular" or "member" people.

    I won't touch the Political forum. In my opinion American politics is too polarized these days, and that gets reflected in the fact that in any forum (TV/radio/bulletin boards) it seems to be impossible to have a passionate debate/discourse witout people resorting to personal animosity. The opinions are too far apart and too entrenched in jingoism (on both sides). As an outside observer, I say this is reflective of a change in American society on the whole in the last decade, not anything specific to this forum.

    I wonder, for the people that feel like there is a loss of community, how much time do you spend in the political forum? I could see the level of vitriol that I sometimes observe there colouring the overall view of MR.

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