Do you think Christian Titman, a Native American, should be able to wear this feather to graduation?

Hieveryone

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Titman, a high school graduate and Native American, wants to wear a feather his father gave him. It is a symbol of his achievement.

I think it is great that he wants to wear it. We are a diverse nation and I love seeing people expressing themselves be it Native American, gay, alternative lifestyle, whatever.

I'm a HUGE fan of diversity. Love it.

But I think the school bans ALL signs of religion.

So then should they allow him or not?

http://news.yahoo.com/student-seeks-court-order-don-eagle-feather-graduation-152319400.html
 

impulse462

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What they should do is allow all students to express any signs of their religious heritage if they want. Whats the point in living if you can't celebrate what makes you unique?
 

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I saw this thing happen in AIT for the Army. A recent graduate from basic had an eagle feather as part of his belongings. His father gave it to him for passing basic. He had it in his foot locker and it was found during a health and welfare. This female drill sergeant went ballistic on him; smoked him for at least an hour. Then tried to get him an article 15... His tribal council came in and crapped all over 305th MI, the BN CDR, CO CDR, and all of the drills.

He got to keep his feather and nobody got punished.

I think anyone should allow any person to express their religious beliefs. Just don't force me to take part in any aspect of your religion.
 

yg17

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Titman, a high school graduate and Native American, wants to wear a feather his father gave him. It is a symbol of his achievement.

I think it is great that he wants to wear it. We are a diverse nation and I love seeing people expressing themselves be it Native American, gay, alternative lifestyle, whatever.

I'm a HUGE fan of diversity. Love it.

But I think the school bans ALL signs of religion.

So then should they allow him or not?

http://news.yahoo.com/student-seeks-court-order-don-eagle-feather-graduation-152319400.html
So does that mean the school bans students from wearing a cross around their neck? Because I'm sure that would go over really well with all of the Christians in this country who have a persecution complex.
 

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So does that mean the school bans students from wearing a cross around their neck? Because I'm sure that would go over really well with all of the Christians in this country who have a persecution complex.
Who has a persecution complex? This kid took his school to court so we could wear a feather in his cap. That is a persecution complex. Anyway, let the kid wear his feather. Isn't graduation day supposed to be about the students? It's his day, not the stupid school administrators day.
 

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Who has a persecution complex? This kid took his school to court so we could wear a feather in his cap. That is a persecution complex. Anyway, let the kid wear his feather. Isn't graduation day supposed to be about the students? It's his day, not the stupid school administrators day.
Entitlement thinking. First of all, does he have a mother? If he does, it is her day, not his. A grandmother, an aunt? The ceremony is for the people who got him through school, and, to recognize his joining the adult world.

Secondly, although arresting people who break the rules is really, really stupid, there need to be some rules for the ceremony, don't you think? Is it OK for a student to show up drunk? I mean, it's his day. :rolleyes:

Finally, if it is a religious display, how far can it go? Is it OK to show up in a burka? That's why we need the courts in the U.S. -- to decide how to balance everyone rights.
 

impulse462

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Entitlement thinking. First of all, does he have a mother? If he does, it is her day, not his. A grandmother, an aunt? The ceremony is for the people who got him through school, and, to recognize his joining the adult world.

Secondly, although arresting people who break the rules is really, really stupid, there need to be some rules for the ceremony, don't you think? Is it OK for a student to show up drunk? I mean, it's his day. :rolleyes:

Finally, if it is a religious display, how far can it go? Is it OK to show up in a burka? That's why we need the courts in the U.S. -- to decide how to balance everyone rights.
Wow you must live such a great life, will all the love affairs you have with rules.
 

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I say let him wear it; the cap and gown are as much a symbol as the feather. Bans on religious apparel or symbols seem to achieve nothing but ill will... you don't achieve harmony and acceptance by denying expression. He's respecting both the ceremony and his background so have at it.
 

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False dichotomy. A common logical fallacy.
The drunk student and "how far can it go" may be a false dichotomy... But the burka question may still hold, if only to highlight religious bias (or some other reason) that one can support one expression of religion and not the other.
 

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What I don't understand is why the school bans all forms of religious expression. Isn't diversity the crux of this country?

If a Muslim wears a Burka, or a Native American wears a feather, a Christian a Cross, a Hindu an OM, and so on...

To me that's a BEAUTIFUL graduation.
 

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What I don't understand is why the school bans all forms of religious expression. Isn't diversity the crux of this country?

If a Muslim wears a Burka, or a Native American wears a feather, a Christian a Cross, a Hindu an OM, and so on...

To me that's a BEAUTIFUL graduation.
Because the progressive utopia is to eliminate religions such as Christianity and have the population worship the almighty state.
 

LIVEFRMNYC

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What I don't understand is why the school bans all forms of religious expression. Isn't diversity the crux of this country?

If a Muslim wears a Burka, or a Native American wears a feather, a Christian a Cross, a Hindu an OM, and so on...

To me that's a BEAUTIFUL graduation.
It's the LAZY way of handling cultural religious issues. And sometimes it's the LAZY way to be bias. Instead of admitting bias for specific religions, it's easier for them to exclude all.
 

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I think this is pretty black and white, school says no religious symbols then there are no religious symbols without exception. Don't like the rules don't participate you'll still get your diploma and it doesn't change your transcripts.
 
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jnpy!$4g3cwk

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What I don't understand is why the school bans all forms of religious expression. Isn't diversity the crux of this country?

If a Muslim wears a Burka, or a Native American wears a feather, a Christian a Cross, a Hindu an OM, and so on...

To me that's a BEAUTIFUL graduation.
Actually, I don't care generally. I think the graduation "uniform" is outdated. But, if you are going to have a uniform, then, naturally, there is a limited amount of deviation allowed or it isn't uniform any more, is it?

Because the progressive utopia is to eliminate religions such as Christianity and have the population worship the almighty state.
non sequitur
 

vrDrew

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Like many such stories, its a bit more complicated once you get into the details.

The School District wanted every student to appear uniform in their cap and gown at the graduation. Its rule prohibited people from putting leis, boas, or bits of sticky tape spelling out "Hi Mom!" on the mortarboard. Reasonable enough.

The problem with the "religious symbols" rule is this: It doesn't apply to a a crucifix or star of David worn on a chain under the gown. It doesn't apply to a kippah (or even, I guess) a turban worn under the mortarboard.

It only really applies to the native american feather.

Fortunately we live in a country with not only a written Constitution setting forth our rights; but we also have private organizations like the ACLU to help individuals - regardless of wealth or position - stand up for them. And we have a court system where such disputes are given a fair and open hearing. And where resolutions to such conflicts can be peacefully worked out.

Which is what happened here. And this kid got to wear his feather at Graduation. Which is cool.
 

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I would say for daily wear, let the guy wear his feather. Let someone wear a cross, a crescent, a star, or whatever their symbol is.

At graduation, where you're wearing a "uniform" of sorts, I would say put all those away until you change back into your regular clothes.