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Do you think that by not including chargers in the box, Apple is setting people up to problems?(because people are still using no-name USB-C chargers)

BlueMoose

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must be perfectly safe to use no-name USB-C chargers and other accesories?


Do you think that by not including chargers in the box, Apple is setting people up to problems?(because people are still using no-name USB-C chargers)

I was wondering about that while standing in line at the gas station to buy my usual weekly lottery tickets this morning. There were about 10 people in front of me, only 3 cashiers, so I started looking at chargers hanging on the wall. $2 regular USB chargers... $11 for USB-C chargers. No brand name on them and the specs printed on the bottom looked sketchy at best. But at least they were in wondering neon green or pink! :)
 
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Do you think that by not including chargers in the box, Apple is setting people up to problems?(because people are still using no-name USB-C chargers)

I was wondering about that while standing in line at the gas station to buy my usual weekly lottery tickets this morning. There were about 10 people in front of me, only 3 cashiers, so I started looking at chargers hanging on the wall. $2 regular USB chargers... $11 for USB-C chargers. No brand name on them and the specs printed on the bottom looked sketchy at best. But at least they were in wondering neon green or pink! :)


I have used the no name ones forever. Never had a problem. Personally I think paying $50 for a charging cord simply because it says apple is ridiculous.
 
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Ta0jin

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Personally I wirelessly charge my phone so this doesn’t really affect me but I do think that it was a bit premature for them to remove the charging brick and say that “everybody has these (USB-C brick) lying around“. Unless you have the 11 pro/max or a newer iPad or a Mac, you probably don’t. That being said Apple gon do what Apple gon do.
 
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Personally I wirelessly charge my phone so this doesn’t really affect me but I do think that it was a bit premature for them to remove the charging brick and say that “everybody has these (USB-C brick) lying around“. Unless you have the 11 pro/max or a newer iPad or a Mac, you probably don’t. That being said Apple gon do what Apple gon do.

1+ to this. I’ve got lots of Apple products laying around, but not 1 is USB-C yet. I’m assuming that my iPhone X cable and brick will still work for on the road needs. I do wireless at home, so I’m not too worried.
 

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Personally I wirelessly charge my phone so this doesn’t really affect me but I do think that it was a bit premature for them to remove the charging brick and say that “everybody has these (USB-C brick) lying around“. Unless you have the 11 pro/max or a newer iPad or a Mac, you probably don’t. That being said Apple gon do what Apple gon do.
Yeah, I'm coming from an 8 plus, and my iPad is even older. So I'll have to buy one.
 
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BlueMoose

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Yeah, I'm coming from an 8 plus, and my iPad is even older. So I'll have to buy one.

I'm wondering how people are supposed to "save the environment" by buying the charger... which Apple chose not to include in the box.... :)

If Apple really cares about the environment, they can instantly cut it by 50%, simply by releasing new iPhones every 2 years, instead of every single year. :)

Or they can invent biodegradable chargers and iPhones...
 
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Ta0jin

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I'm wondering how people are supposed to "save the environment" by buying the charger... which Apple chose not to include in the box.... :)

If Apple really cares about the environment, they can instantly cut it by 50%, simply by releasing new iPhones every 2 years, instead of every single year. :)

Or they can invent biodegradable chargers and iPhones...
The EarPods make sense taking those out but to not include a charger that only recently came with the last released iPhone? I’m not buying it lol.
 

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I'm wondering how people are supposed to "save the environment" by buying the charger... which Apple chose not to include in the box.... :)

If Apple really cares about the environment, they can instantly cut it by 50%, simply by releasing new iPhones every 2 years, instead of every single year. :)

Or they can invent biodegradable chargers and iPhones...

Yeah the saving the environment argument is such BS. Now people have to buy a separate charger that comes in its own packaging, which ends up using way more materials than if the iPhone box was slightly larger. Great work Apple.
 

BlueMoose

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The EarPods make sense taking those out but to not include a charger that only recently came with the last released iPhone? I’m not buying it lol.

leaving out wired earpods seems like a safety issue to me....

there are going to be idiots or cheapskates who don't want to spend extra to buy a Bluetooth headset.... some of them will be driving and talking with the phone next to their ear... :( (sad but true?)
 
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ericwn

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Personally I wirelessly charge my phone so this doesn’t really affect me but I do think that it was a bit premature for them to remove the charging brick and say that “everybody has these (USB-C brick) lying around“. Unless you have the 11 pro/max or a newer iPad or a Mac, you probably don’t. That being said Apple gon do what Apple gon do.

Apple made no claim that everyone has usbc chargers. They were referring to perfectly fine working older chargers of which they alone shipped a few billions.
 

ericwn

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I'm wondering how people are supposed to "save the environment" by buying the charger... which Apple chose not to include in the box.... :)

If Apple really cares about the environment, they can instantly cut it by 50%, simply by releasing new iPhones every 2 years, instead of every single year. :)

Or they can invent biodegradable chargers and iPhones...

I think at this stage you fail to see that most won’t need to buy a new charger if an existing Lightning or Qi charger is at home. They will ship millions of chargers less with all the environmental impact that carries.

If you’re willing to stop wall steeet and pay the shareholders quarterly then please reach out to Apple to explain yourself idea of launching a new phone every other year in more detail.

Nobody claims to save Mother Nature here exclusively but minimising impact is to be applauded.
 
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ericwn

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Yeah the saving the environment argument is such BS. Now people have to buy a separate charger that comes in its own packaging, which ends up using way more materials than if the iPhone box was slightly larger. Great work Apple.

Hardly anybody needs to.
 

ericwn

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leaving out wired earpods seems like a safety issue to me....

there are going to be idiots or cheapskates who don't want to spend extra to buy a Bluetooth headset.... some of them will be driving and talking with the phone next to their ear... :( (sad but true?)

Those playing with a phone while driving are not worth further considering. Darwin will sort that out for us.
 

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I'm wondering how people are supposed to "save the environment" by buying the charger... which Apple chose not to include in the box.... :)

If Apple really cares about the environment, they can instantly cut it by 50%, simply by releasing new iPhones every 2 years, instead of every single year. :)

Or they can invent biodegradable chargers and iPhones...

It’s classic “short term pain for long term gain”.

Yes, in the next couple of months, we may see increased demand for usb-c chargers as some (but not all) users buy them because they didn’t own any before. However, this is a one-off transaction because these chargers are likely not going anywhere. Subsequently, when they upgrade, they are not going to need another charger, which is where the real environmental savings come in.

I would also like to see Apple go one step further by doing away with all that wasteful instructional pamphlets that I never bother reading.
 

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Sometimes, people just need to use their own brains to make good choices. It's not Apple's fault if a person orders a cheap piece of junk.
 

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It’s classic “short term pain for long term gain”.
It's not even that. There is no short term pain, only gain. All your existing cables and bricks will work, that is the point--that's the immediate and long-term gain. The only reason to purchase a new one is if you "want" faster charging.
 

Ta0jin

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Apple made no claim that everyone has usbc chargers. They were referring to perfectly fine working older chargers of which they alone shipped a few billions.
True, but they’re shipping a charging cable that they can’t use with the bricks they currently have. You are free to believe what you want, but I personally do not believe this was a “helping the environment” thing as much as them trying to sell charging bricks and a push to a MagSafe future. Look I get it, capitalism baby! But let’s be real, a cable included in the box that’s not being used isn’t e-waste as well?
 
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ericwn

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True, but they’re shipping a charging cable that they can’t use with the bricks they currently have. While I agree they can use old lightning chargers, for people switching over (no matter how big or small that number may be) from Android are left with having to purchase a brick that have previously been included in the box. Another issue I see is those who may have a old brick but an charging cord that has seen better days, they can‘t use the one included in the box without shelling out more money for a 20w usb-c brick. You are free to believe what you want, but I personally do not believe this was a “helping the environment” thing as much as them trying to sell charging bricks and a push to a MagSafe future. Cause lets be real, a cable included in the box that’s not being used isn’t e-waste as well?

Oh, I don’t disagree entirely. The idea is half thought through at best. In fairness, these are transitional times where some have this, others have that, others have no chargers at all etc, so it’s complex.
 
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Ta0jin

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Oh, I don’t disagree entirely. The idea is half thought through at best. In fairness, these are transitional times where some have this, others have that, others have no chargers at all etc, so it’s complex.
It is complex, and MagSafe will be the future so they know they are going to get the heat anyway.
 

C DM

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It’s classic “short term pain for long term gain
So why couldn't Apple soften it like they did when they removed the headphone jack and included an adapter on top of new headphones? Why not include the adapter at least for the first year or so when they switch to include a different cable? Seems like all the gains are on Apple's side of things and there isn't much on consumer side and for some there's pain.
 

C DM

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The only reason to purchase a new one is if you "want" faster charging.
That an interesting sentiment when it comes to those who don't any USB-C power adapters or USB-A to Lightning cables.
 
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