Do you think the H1N1 Vaccine will be like the movie I Am Legend?

No.

 

I think it's almost impossible that it won't turn out just like I am Legend.

 

No. That's fiction, this is real life.

 

No, it won't be. However, the good Reverend Farrakhan seems to think otherwise.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2009/10/19/Farrakhan-suspicious-of-H1N1-vaccine/UPI-63931256011008/

 

Interesting. So if he gets swine flu, what will he do?

 

Um, just be miserable for a week or so?

Swine flu isn't that much worse than the regular flu.

 

I hadn't even considered the possibility but the more I think about it I can't see any other conclusion aside from the one shown in the slightly rubbish Will Smith vehicle.


Cripes. I'm off for my flu jab on Thursday!

 

If the conspiracy is to kill off people to save the rest from starvation, are there two versions of the vaccine? One to kill and one given to the wealthy/successful, those that produce the food etc.?

 

Who voted yes?

 

Didn't I read something like that in a Tom Clancy novel?

 

Wow. little paranoid or what...

"We have to develop a science that kills them and makes it look as though they died from some disease" - its called war. Man has been doing it for 1000's of years now.. Man will find any excuse just to be crappy to each other...

 

No but it's certainly not unreasonable to question the safety of something that has been developed so quickly. I don't entirely trust it either. I had a brief moment of considering the movie "children of men" when the HPV/cervical cancer vaccine was released. Unforeseen side-effects of drugs happen all the time, some of the effects are devastating. I don't believe it's a big conspiracy but distrust in terms of uncertainty isn't too far out of line.

 

It wasn't really "developed quickly". It uses the same principles and methods that have been used to produce other influenza vaccines. The only thing that's different this time is the antigens which are from swine flu influenza instead of the yearly seasonal influenzas. There's nothing particularly novel about the vaccine that needs broad-scale testing first. It's a very well characterised, tested, and safe process. Which is why it was able to be bought into use quickly.

edit: Also rest assured that in the very rare event that there are serious side-effects they'll be picked up very quickly, as each reported adverse side effect if collected and collated.

 

That makes sense. I hadn't thought about it like that (it being developed off the back of previous flu strains). Perhaps obviously I hadn't put much thought or research into it really. I'm just blown away by the big deal that's been made out of the swine flu. I feel like "TEH MEDIA" has broadcast it in such a way to cause maximum worry. Fear peddling and all that.

Say, where did I put my tin foil?

 

I think you drew the perfect conclusion from what is presented in the media. Ever-tightening deadlines and science journalists being lost to pharma press releases and sensationalist opinions. And scientists being rather terrible (myself included) in science communication. I'm trying to find a link to how the vaccine was developed and tested to post but I really can't find one suitable. There's a large gulf between the scientific literature and a good quality (and interesting) layman's explanation. Which sucks. It's of course completely reasonable to be skeptical until proven otherwise. But one is completely unlikely to be convinced by a paper loaded with statistics that's hard to understand unless you're a statistician or in the field.

edit: the cdc's site is actually quite good .
http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/vaccination/general.htm

 

Were still worrying about swine flu?

 

Was swine flu really a threat?

 

Most definitely. All pandemic influenzas are something to concerned about. Best not to forget the lessons of history.

 

Folks should know that the multidose bottles of H1N1 vaccine also contain thimerosal, a preservative that contains mercury. The industry attests to the safety of thimerosal, but if there's a reason to be doubtful, to my mind, that's it.

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So having mercury in LCD backlighting is bad, but a vaccine that the world world gets isn't?

 

Till then let's keep on eating mercury contaminated fish/sushi, veggies sprayed with pesticides, beef infested with possible prions (mad cow) and loaded with hormones, milk filled with antibiotics and estrogen - and let's not forget - all the bisphenols leached into juice/water, etc.. by plastic! Woo hoo!

 

It's not just industry. It's also science that has shown that thimerosal isn't a problem at the concentrations used in vaccines. There is absolutely no evidence (despite much research) linking thimerosal to autism or any other human conditions that people claim.

It's true that thimerosal contains mercury. Just as salt contains sodium and chloride. Sodium is of course a highly explosive when exposed to water. Chloride is highly poisonous. But we can eat salt with no problems despite the individual elemental characteristics. When elements combine to form a compound they take on different characteristics than the individual elements. Hence although thimerosal contains mercury it is in a different form and therefore does not have the negative health effects of elemental mercury.

 

Do I believe in a conspiracy theory that the H1N1 Swine Flu Vaccine will be like the movie "I Am Legend"?

No.

Of course, I do give a credence to the belief that the deranged current administration has mismanaged this health crisis, refused to safeguard the American public, ignored CDC warnings, and in general hidden valuable medical information of relevance to this Swine Flu crisis from the American public, but that's a couple topics for another thread.

 

Yes. H1N1 is an influenza virus which recurs every 20 to 30 years. It has previously popped up in 1918, 1933, 1957, and 1976. 1918 was the worst because it had a high lethality and was completely new to humans so there was zero immunity to it. Since 1933 it has had relatively low lethality - a lethality gene replikin count of 2. This time around however H1N1 shows changes to this part of the genome and an increasing replikin count.

You should realize that H1N1 is not like the assorted cold viruses that produce the "seasonal flu" type achy joints and sniffles. This is the real deal those are colloquially named after. It has serious potential to kill people by the millions.

When first observed it was feared this influenza was new to humans, that it was a swine virus that had jumped species. But after a while it became clear it was a human virus that had sequestered in livestock until enough time had passed that it could gain a foothold and return. Those who get it today are those who weren't around in 1976. Even though its lethality is relatively low, it's still sufficient that if people over 35 didn't have existing immunity you'd be attending a lot of funerals.