do you want to have touch id in 5s and future iPhones?

Discussion in 'iPhone' started by thadoggfather, Sep 18, 2013.

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Do you want touch id?

  1. yes

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    67.1%
  2. no

    17 vote(s)
    21.5%
  3. don't care, whatever

    9 vote(s)
    11.4%
  1. thadoggfather, Sep 18, 2013
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    thadoggfather macrumors 604

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    #1
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSJqBJ1TF-E

    Just watched this parody, and it seems pretty spot on.

    Personally, I wish 5s, and future iPhones, didn't implement this privacy encroachment marketed for your convenience.

    What do you think?
     
  2. user-name-here macrumors 65816

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    You could turn it off or put a small piece of tape over the fingerprint sensor if you are worried.

    Me? I love the convenience of it. Now I can use a longer, more secure, complex password (instead of a simple 4 digit pin code) and not have to go through the inconvenience of entering it many times per day.
     
  3. CaCohen0509 macrumors regular

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    haters gonna hate the way I see it. You're never gonna get rid of it so it looks like its time to take up a Nokia Lumia or some sort of Android device.
     
  4. nikhsub1 macrumors 68000

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    I think your tin foil hat is too tight.
     
  5. Col Ronson macrumors 6502a

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    i dont get what the big deal is. If you're really worried about people getting your fingerprints, wear gloves in your daily life.

    Turn off the fingerprint sensor.

    Like apple said, your actual fingerprint image isn't even stored. Thats not the way fingerprint ID works. It just takes reference measurements and then compares them everytime you tap. And all this data is stored on a sealed off portion of the A7 chip. Apps cant access the data, and its not even stored on iCloud.

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    Seriously, i have better things to do than live my life in constant paranoia. This is the first wave of the future. 99% of people will appreciate this convenience. Its much harder to hack a fingerprint than a passcode.

    And we all know this will lead to authentication for NFC payments and all that fun stuff.
     
  6. thadoggfather, Sep 18, 2013
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    So you buy into the NSA not abusing its powers, ever, because Keith Alexander told you so at Black Hat? Good for you,

    I feel its incredibly naive to think that this is an uncompromising one-way highway between A7 and the touch sensor will never be exploited in any way unfairly. Not to mention, anything created by somebody can be un-created or cracked or destroyed, particularly technology.

    http://www.macrumors.com/2013/08/09...ent-obama-to-discuss-government-surveillance/

    Anyone remember this last month? How come there was never more news about what they specifically discussed and how they will be addressing the public's concerns?

    I say it was a private meeting to discuss backdoor ways of using this technology.

    Color me skeptical.

    But truly, I hadn't thought of tape over the sensor. Duh. Like people do with their front facing cameras.

    Wearing gloves 24/7 is impractical, and turning off the sensor seems futile if higher powers really wanted to obtain it.

    To each his own I suppose.

    Aren't you at least concerned about iPhones ability to have a remote kill switch? I forgot about that as well until i watched this video. But, to be fair, I think that's something that has been a possibility for quite some time now, and isn't limited to 5s by any means.


    Don't be personally offended by my criticism of a 'feature' of a mass manufactured device, you silly, poor soul. I will continue to hold onto my jailbroken iPhone 5 and re-evaluate next year, but thank you for your recommendation. It was endearing and useful.
     
  7. Mrbobb macrumors 601

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    OP have u Google yourself? It's already too late.
     
  8. Jimbo47 macrumors 6502a

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    People really put tape over their front facing camera? What the hell are these people doing that they need to cover up their camera?
     
  9. thadoggfather thread starter macrumors 604

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    for laptops, I've seen it quite a bit at coffee shops and stuff.


    Uhhh, masturbating/pooping/picking their noses/doing whatever it is people do when they think they have privacy?

    I'll tell you what, why don't I come over and install a baby (making) monitor in your bedroom? It's for your protection, against STD's, and to keep an eye on preventing thief's from busting in through the windows .
     
  10. Col Ronson macrumors 6502a

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    If the government wanted your fingerprints, there are 10,000 easier ways they could do it than going thru the trouble of hacking your phones and pissing off everyone. Anyone can dig thru your trash and get your fingerprints. Having a fingerprint scanner is hardly a way to get them. And yes, the way the hardware designed makes it very difficult to access your fingerprint data unless you have the actual phone in hand.

    Wrong. Have you heard of AES encryption? It would take a super computer millions of years to crack 256 AES. This is no secret in the technology world. Somethings are actually performed as advertised.

    Hell, the government already takes the fingerprints of every foreign individual entering the United States via an airport. They have the fingerprints of everyone whos committed a crime. Many states require your thumbprint before you can get a drivers license. Hell, the govt already has my fingerprints because im enrolled in Global Entry, and the canadian govt has my iris scans because of NEXUS. But that's besides the point.

    99% of the people will appreciate the convenience. 1% of the rest, like you said, to each their own. Get a different phone. There is such limited stock the rest of us will appreciate the lesser competition.

    The feature was installed as a convenient feature to protect privacy (50% of people dont put passcodes on their phone). It wasn't some grand super secret evil scheme apple and the government cooked up because they really really really wanna ruin everybodys lives.

    That article you posted? If there was some grand conspiracy between Apple and the govt to go big brother on us, then that article would've never made the news.
     
  11. thadoggfather, Sep 19, 2013
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    But instead of jumping through hoops and going through every single person's trash, this is a seamless way to have an aggregate database. Sure, they could do the trash sorting method, but it's tedious.

    Why would I care about this potential invasion of privacy? Sure the government has our fingerprints with passports and such, but to tie EVERY SINGLE thing you do on your phone to your fingerprint, seems quite incriminating.

    I can think of political ways it could be manipulated too:
    let's say I want to be a congressman (ew), and go to porn sites, and unlock my phone with my finger. Then years down the line, assuming this isn't revealed by the telecom company or the ISP they were accessed from, it can be confirmed and eradicate all doubt with a fingerprint scan. How else could it be someone else using the phone during this time if the only way to get on the phone is by using your fingerprint? Now you're Anthony Weiner, and nobody will vote for you. And the Man stays in office, indefinitely.

    It also seems improbable you'd unlock the phone with your fingerprint, then immediately hand it over to someone for conducting criminal activities like planning a heist, drug dealing, whatever else it is criminals do, etc.

    You don't have to worry about me messing with launch stock inventory, as I said before, not in the market for a new iPhone anyways. FWIW, touch id or no touch id didn't change my stance. But I'd still prefer for it to not be adopted with arms wide open.

    And in regards to that article, even corporate media likes to post articles that seem to be conveying the news or for your benefit. But sometimes serious details can be omitted. And other times, seeming transparent is a good way to lose the trail. All that article states is that they are meeting. That really means nothing. "Obama - invasion of privacy isn't good but only because these things have been letting out and people are getting riled up; Cook - agreed; Obama - by the way, love your products, have a great day" hmmm I think not.

    When Snowden's leak came about, Obama said what NSA was doing would have naturally peaked its head out, and that the FISA court is overseeing what they do.

    Sounds good, but does it actually mean anything? To me, no.

    It's not like I'm saying read every EULA because they contain misleading legal verbiage. This is something that seems so clearly like it has the potential to be manipulated without digging through the haystack,

    And I'm not sure why expressing privacy concerns gets people fired up. I am questioning things in your best interest, if you don't care about your own privacy and your own life, I certainly don't either. Why don't you rip 1984 out of every reader's hands and stomp on it because its suggesting that higher authorities are capable of doing some not so nice things and will continue to when empowered with the public's indifference and are in a position to do so?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIOF5R-7rx8

    You should reject these voices.

    I also was personally offended by the promotional video and Phil spending all of 1.5 seconds to explain how secure this touch id is. I think, especially in light of all the recent revelations and supposed 'paranoia', they should have spent more time detailing that and explaining how secure this method is, and why they have no way of obtaining it themselves even in when called to by the government.
     
  12. jmgregory1 macrumors 65816

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    The idea that any one person in the general population is important enough for the government to want your fingerprints is simply delusional and a sign you have an overinflated self worth.

    Or you are doing something highly suspect and you are trying to buy yourself extra time before you're caught.
     
  13. Curun macrumors 6502

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    I think you could turn it off if you don't like it.
     
  14. Lucille Carter macrumors 65816

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    It is not just your finger prints but they are looking at your credit card charges, emails, phone conversations, text messages and more. When you go to the doctor they are going to ask you about your sex habits like how often, with how many different people, gay or straight and on and on!

    Our government has elevated themselves above us and we work for them now. They have now got their hands on the last large sum of money, the money we spend on health care will now our health care money will go through the "fingers" of our government so that THEY can decide what services you get. This while they exempt themselves from the system they are shoving up our butts! :(

    They cant wipe their own butts, I do not want them wiping mine!
     
  15. KenAFSPC macrumors 6502a

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    In the future, you should really make the poll question the same as the topic question. The answer to the topic question is not the same as the answer to your poll question.
     
  16. itsmemuffins macrumors 68030

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    What do I think? I'll tell you what I think.

    load of bollocks that's what I think.

    This place is seriously going full retard by the day.
     
  17. KBS756 macrumors 6502a

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    It's not privacy encroachment. If someone were to steal your finger print by gaining direct access to your phone and having enough time to hack it ... yea you have more complex problems then your phone got unlocked.
    Also Apple stated they do not create a data base of the finger print reader so they don't have it its stored inside a secure place in your phone so thats a moot point. And if they'd did infact steal your finger prints (for god knows what reason) and it wasn't in their fine print they'd be sued into submission so all that parody is is a fun joke not reality. Hell the government has most people's finger prints anyway. Foreign nationals entering the US. Anyone who's committed a crime. I believe some states even require it for state IDs.

    So yea this is an overblown concern which is a non issue. Touch ID is a great convenience innovation thats safer then a regular 4 digit password that someone on a train or bus can see over your shoulder. And this is an innovation most people will actually use. If you take issue with it just turn off the scanner in software or place something over the sensor to obscure it, making it a non issue.
     
  18. AdeFowler macrumors 68020

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    This ^^^
     
  19. tigres macrumors 68040

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    Can anyone honestly answer this...

    Who cares if the govt has my fingerprint? I am already in a database for my work in the financial industry (FBI fingerprint) as required by law.

    They have my SSN and tax returns.

    What is the issue? I am very private as much as possible online, but I don't see the end all of them having my print.
     
  20. ABC5S macrumors 68040

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    OP, can you do a SEARCH next time ? This has been beaten to death on this forum for the past week or so from paranoid members like you. For me, I welcome the sensor and don't give it one thought about the NSA or Bugs Bunnie having my fingerprint which is already on file alone with my photograph and DNA
     
  21. itjw macrumors 65816

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    As an attorney everyone that wants my prints (BS NSA, FBI, CSI Miami) has them.

    The VALID concern here is the database being created so that even if they DIDN'T want your prints, now they have them, and cold cases suddenly just take a mouse click to become very warm again.

    Do nothing wrong ever (right)? Nothing to worry about. But now you can forget about getting away with anything illegal (and in the future that MAY be something as trivial as disagreeing with the government on the Internet). Don't care? Good for you, but I can see the point.

    As I said, I'm everywhere already. Games already over for folks like me. Are you ready to make the same sacrifice for the privilege of unlocking a Phone!?!?

    At least I did it for a 250k job lol
     
  22. in4fun, Sep 19, 2013
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  23. xero9 macrumors 6502a

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    Serious question here..

    Even if the NSA gets everyone's fingerprints, what difference does it make? They can't really track you with it, and even if they could, there are WAY easier ways to do it (ie that GPS enabled cell phone you carry around all the time).

    Being spied on is not cool (ie phone calls tapped, camera being monitored, etc), I think everyone can agree on that, but having your prints linked to your name seriously is not a huge deal to most people if you're not a criminal.
     
  24. deeddawg macrumors 603

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    Far easier to just lift your fingerprints off the screen than mess around inside.
     
  25. wombat94 macrumors member

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    I started to respond with a long technical post, but then found this article that explains it better than I could. Specifically the section entitled "Does my iPhone store my Fingerprint?"

    http://www.techhive.com/article/2048514/the-iphone-5s-fingerprint-reader-what-you-need-to-know.html

    This is conjecture, but based on what Apple has said, and best practices for this type of authentication problem, I think it is probably right on with what is happening inside the touchID sensor/A7 secure area.

    So, I believe that TouchID can be secure, and the method that it is likely using to authenticate you can be made specific to the person AND phone... therefore of no real use outside of the phone itself.

    As security expert Bruce Schneier has said, regardless of what the NSA may or may not have done or collected, there are certain basic cryptographic functions where you can "trust the math" that no one can break them.

    For encrypted data that needs to be decrypted, it comes down to key management, and that is where most of the vulnerabilities lie.

    For cryptographic hashing algorithms, they truly are one-way mathematical functions. Given a hash of a value in SHA-256, there is no physical way to recover the original "clear text" - the function only goes one way.
     

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