Doctor (good guy) with gun stops possible mass shooter (bad guy) with gun.

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  1. EvilQueen, Jul 25, 2014
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    EvilQueen macrumors 6502

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    Yep. News reports are out now that say that one of the doctors shot and wounded the crazy shooter in the mental hospital.

     
  2. rdowns macrumors Penryn

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    In your haste to post the story, you neglected a link. Also, it's a good guy with a gun, not a guy guy. And where do you get mass shooter from?
     
  3. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    These incidents will happen.

    And they have to be put into the whole equation of the gun debate.

    As yet, (IMO) I don't think they do anything to tip the scales into favoring more possession.

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    Is this regarding a mental patient that got a gun?:confused:
     
  5. EvilQueen thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Are you kidding me? I haven't heard **** about this story until you brought it up. Do you think we have some sort of alert for gun related stories enabled somewhere?

    Now, I'm off to read your link.

    Update: So is this an outpatient facility? Apparently the man had been there several times before as a patient, so I'm wondering if he lived there or if he came in for sessions.

    Frankly there's next to nothing about the mental condition of this man, or where he got a gun from.
     
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    Spoon feed me? The forum rules say you post a link, especially if you're quoting from it. It hasn't gone unnoticed that you used the term mass shooter when it has no bearing on this story. Weren't you just accusing someone of hyperbole in another thread?
     
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    No bearing on this story? How does it have no bearing on this story? Are you kidding me?
     
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    completely a personal choice to own.
     
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    You make some truly idiotic statements at times. When you quote a news story, it's normal to include the specific link. Aside from the ability to lend better context when there may be more than one article on the subject, it credits the authors of the original piece. Calling that spoonfeeding says more about you than the person who requested it.
     
  11. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    It's a personal choice to own it, but it's also an issue of how the government regulates the product, who it's available to and how it's sold and distributed.
     
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    I guess somewhere there is a pot and kettle comment but i'm not going to waste any more time searching.

    http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1754246
    http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1753171
    http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1669267

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    Fine, I posted the link. Now quit deflecting away from the fact that you do not want to admit that a gun saved lives.
     
  13. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    Would it matter if the caseworker was killed by the doctor?
     
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    SOME of the regulations are stupid/feel good/do nothing regulations, others I have no problem with, back grounds checks make sense , 10 day waits do not.
     
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    I thought guns were just inanimate objects?

    Now they're saving people.
     
  16. Michael Goff macrumors G4

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    Wait, wait.

    I'm told that guns don't kill people. I'm told they're inanimate objects, they can't do anything. Now I'm told they're "saving lives". Either they can't do anything, so they don't kill, or they can save lives and thus can do something.

    Which is it?
     
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    Yes.

    But even then, it is likely that the doctor prevented more people (in other parts of the office) from being shot
     
  18. EvilQueen thread starter macrumors 6502

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    I am sure it would matter to the caseworkers family. I am also sure it would matter to the doctor.

    But to what extent would it matter to the doctor's family? Not sure.

    If my husband came home alive, I would rejoice. I would be sad that someone got caught in the crossfire but the fault would not be with my husband. The fault would be with the person that tried to take his life. If that person would not have tried to kill my husband, then none of this would have happened.
     
  19. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    There's absolutely no way to know that.

    In the news there are often stories about people who shoot someone and then stop.

    Not every shooter shoots everyone in the vicinity.
     
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    got to agree with the above. .guns are just tools.
     
  21. EvilQueen thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Wow...semantics....i'll rephrase.

    Fine, I posted the link. Now quit deflecting away from the fact that you do not want to admit that a person with a gun saved lives.

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    So now we should wait to find out how many people the guy is going to shoot before we shoot back?

    What is your acceptable level?
     
  22. Michael Goff macrumors G4

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    I like you. Even if we disagree, at least you're consistent.

    I've never denied that it's possible for a gun to be used in a way that saves lives. In theory, so could a lot of things. The problem comes from the idea that it's either "all the guns for all the people" or "no guns for anyone".
     
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    And yet if there were no guns at all then a 53 year old case worker would still be alive.

    Unfortunately, the USA is too far down the road to ban guns outright so you're left between a rock and a hard place.
     
  24. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    My acceptable level is to answer reasonable questions.

    I will wait for yours.
     
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    Well you know, while we're making assumptions...

    You are right, there's no way to know for sure. We can only go by what we've seen in other, similar, situations that have occurred.

    I'm comfortable saying the guy would have tried killing other people.

    And the only reason we can't know, is because fortunately someone was there with a gun and was able to incapacitate the guy before he could try.

    One thing is clear, the patient wasn't there to not kill/hurt someone.
     

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