Does NATO still exist?

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    A very good question.

    The author comes to the conclusion that if Putin takes steps to "protect ethnic Russians in Lithuania," NATO will not go war with Russia to defend the Baltic states.

     
  2. Desertrat macrumors newbie

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    Unfortunately, NATO still exists. The present US administration's usage is to harass Russia via a military buildup on its borders while propagandizing up a storm that Russia is bad-nasty and evil. How dare Russia put its border right up against NATO bases?

    Many of the "little people" of Europe see through the charade promulgated by the NeoCon WarHawks (which includes Hillary, by the way) and even some higher-up people are labeling NATO leaders as war-mongers.
     
  3. cube macrumors G5

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    Canada is sending troops to Latvia.

    Poland is growing its army from 100,000 to 150,000.
     
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    Mexico should host joint maneuvers with Russia and China right across the border in Chihuahua state.
     
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    Because it's okay that Russia invaded Georgia, and Crimea?
     
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    Paper Tiger. Alive and well in the EU habitat. And other locations not noted here.
     
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    A UK C-17 went to train in Hungary with Gripen's for the first time.

    US F-15C's went to train with MiG-21's in Romania.

    The MiG-21's will be replaced with F-16's.
     
  9. Desertrat macrumors newbie

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    Crimea? Russia had some 20 years remaining on a 25-year lease. The lease came about after Ukrainian-born Brezhnev "gave" Ukraine back from its prior status of a mostly-Russian country. The Russian-majority population of Crimea voted to join Russia.

    Kiev was at one time the capitol of Russia. And, so far, Russia has not invaded. Its support of the eastern Ukrainians is no different from the US support of anti-Assad or anti-Khaddafi. And your tax dollars are part of the $5 billion spent in suborning the legal government of Ukraine in the effort to follow the Wolfowitz Doctrine against Russia.
     
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    Mexico can't be all that bad if Nabisco, Carrier, Hershey, Ford, et al, move companies over there. Certainly better to help their utopia than America's?
     
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    NATO is about as useful as contraceptives on Sarah Palin's children.
     
  12. VulchR macrumors 68020

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    First, leasing naval bases does not give one state the right to invade another.

    Second, even Putin admitted the Crimean 'vote' was sham and it occurred after ethnic cleansing of non-Russians. How could you be so gullible?

    Third, Alaska was once Russian, why hasn't Russia invaded that state on the principle that it was once Russian? Oh, I know – unlike the Ukrainians, the US can defend itself.

    Fourth, Russian can spin propaganda all it wants, but the world recognises the annexation of Crimea for what it is: a bold-faced land grab. This is why unprecedented sanctions have been levied against Russia, and the clock is ticking for their economy. So, the Russians have their Crimea, for now. We'll see what the attitude of the average Russian is toward Putin and the costs of the Crimean invasion when the Russian economy collapses.

    Fifth, I am quite happy my taxpayer dollars (I am a US citizen) have gone toward the Ukraine to defend themselves from the idiots in Russia, and many in the US feel exactly the same way. We remember how Germany and Russia invaded countries on false pretences at the onset of WWII.

    Finally, before the invasion, Crimean hadn't been a part of Russia since 1917. It had been a part of the USSR until it broke up. Of course, the USSR is not the same thing as Russia, but modern-day Russian colonialism would have us believe the USSR = Russia.
     
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    Russia existed as the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic (RSFSR) all throughout the existence of the USSR. In the 1950s, Khrushchev stole Crimea from the RSFSR and unilaterally awarded it to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. That is quite unlike the legal purchase of Alaska.

    We also remember how quickly the Ukrainians threw themselves at the feet of the Nazi invaders, helpfully rounding up the Jews, and what fine concentration camp guards they made.
     
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    Back to NATO: As usual, Pepe Escobar has his finger on the pulse of reality:

    http://russia-insider.com/en/nato-paranoia-versus-eurasia-integration/ri15517

    Regardless of who done what to whom in Ukraine, it's still not our business to overthrow governments who have not shown signs of military hostility. Our foreign policy seems mostly to create dead bodies and refugees. (Sarcasm: But who cares? They're just wogs.)

    I note that China and Russia are gaining by trade and commerce what we are not gaining by warfare. They have no foreign debt, while we owe trillions of dollars in foreign debt. There's a message there, somewhere.
     
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    I see, so the Crimea was lawfully transferred to Ukrainian control under the laws of the former USSR and Putin decided to throw his toys out of his pram about it and invade 60+ years later. Got it.
     
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    Canada is sending a frigate and 6 CF-18's to Latvia, in addition to the 450 troops.
     
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    What for? Canada has a plan to defeat Russia in the Baltic?
     

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