DOJ threatens and President Trump invokes his first Executive Privilege over Mueller report

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    DOJ threatens executive privilege over Mueller report if Dems carry out contempt vote

    “The Department of Justice (DOJ) says it will ask President Trump to invoke executive privilege over the Mueller report if the House Judiciary Committee goes through with its threat to vote on whether to hold Attorney General William Barr in contempt.”

    https://thehill.com/policy/national...iciary-to-cancel-contempt-vote-or-it-will-ask


    Trump invokes executive privilege on full Mueller report as Democrats vote to hold Attorney General Bill Barr in contempt

    “President Donald Trump on Wednesday invoked executive privilege concerning the full, unredacted report from special counsel Robert Mueller just as Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee, led by Chairman Rep. Jerry Nadler, were voting to hold Attorney General William Barr in contempt of Congress for not turning over the unredacted report and underlying materials in response to a committee subpoena.”

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/dem...-general-bill-barr-contempt/story?id=62888034


    White House asserts executive privilege over Mueller report in latest confrontation with Congress

    “The White House formally asserted executive privilege over special counsel Robert S Mueller III’s report Wednesday, President Trump’s first use of the executive authority in the latest confrontation with Congress.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...d72a9fa8ff1_story.html?utm_term=.c591c34e210c
     
  2. appleisking macrumors 6502a

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    Hold Barr in inherent contempt and have the sergeant at arms of the house march him to jail
     
  3. linuxcooldude macrumors 68020

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    It's out of Barrs hands now. All the Democrats can do is submit a lawsuit or negotiate. If the Democrats want to fight over 8% of the Mueller report, let them, they will just leak it anyway.
     
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    US textbooks should be revised. There is no checks-and-balance.
     
  5. jerwin macrumors 68020

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    When was the last time Congress declared war?
     
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    1942. iirc
     
  7. LordVic macrumors 603

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    Oh the checks and balances still exist. The thing is, I don't think that the founding fathers took into account what would happen if all the "checks" were being run and controlled by the same group of people who had nefarious intents.

    How this isn't a constitutional crisis is beyond me.
     
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    Checks and balance were there to curb abuses of power, not to try and politically damage "the enemy". You think there's a crime being hidden under the redacted portions of the report?
     
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    Probably not. But the report is enough to indict.
     
  10. blackfox macrumors 65816

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    Honestly, I don't know. The Starr Report (on Clinton) was an independent Investigation (which since doesn't happen), and it was of vastly different subject matter (though perhaps not consequences). It was a circus - and released in full (became a best-seller de-facto). Clinton's reaction was far different than Trumps'. Now, again...I can't draw too close a parallel - but if you're innocent, why the firewalls? If you feel you are, wouldn't you show the world for vindication and throw it in your opponents' face? So, perhaps there is something there? I think pretty much everyone knows Trump is crooked, it's just a matter of proof, or for some - idc, he's not a Democrat.
     
  11. jerwin macrumors 68020

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    you should probably read Federalist Paper 51.
     
  12. pl1984 macrumors 68020

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    Apparently not as Mr. Mueller made no indictments nor any recommendations to do so.
     
  13. bradl macrumors 68040

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    Umm.. wrong.

    http://time.com/5556331/mueller-investigation-indictments-guilty-pleas/

    As far as Trump goes, he punted that to Congress. That does not mean that there isn't enough evidence to indict. You keep spreading this lie and it is wrong each and every time you do.

    BL.
     
  14. pl1984 macrumors 68020

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    The DOJ is following long standing rules / precedent / policy / law / whatever you wish to call it regarding the redacted portions of Mr. Muellers report. The DOJ didn't just create the redaction criteria. In fact Mr. Nadler, in response to the investigation into President Clinton, argued for some of the very protections he is now against.

    As for "firewalls" President Trump fully cooperated with the special counsels investigation. That investigation is now completed and the President has stated he considers the matter over with and therefore feels no need to assist in furthering the Democrats circus.
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    Mr. Mueller doesn't report to Congress. He reports to the DOJ. Thus he punted to the DOJ who reach the conclusion no obstruction of justice. You can pretend this isn't the case but the facts are: No collusion and no obstruction of justice.
     
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    So why do 700+ federal prosecutors think there was enough to charge with?
     
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    The (unredacted) report would go to Congressional committee, not the Public. I assume those who would see it have clearance to do so. Again, I am close to not giving a whit at this point, but it doesn't seem unreasonable.
     
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    I don’t understand why some people are so determined to stick with Trump even given his clear vast flaws. It’s bizarre.
     
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    Yet you continue to ignore the number of indictments that came from his report and his work.

    Additionally, he didn't punt the conclusion to indict to the DoJ; he punted on which entity has the ability to indict. Two complete different issues, which you again continue to ignore and spread an additional lie about it.

    My comment stands.

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    Robert Mueller & AG Barr: Innocent of any form of collusion.


    Democrats: He....he must be guilty....We spent all that time and money spying on him.....It’s not fair...They’re (Mueller & Barr) lying! Subpoena Mueller! Imprison Barr! And IMPEACH TRUMP!!
     
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    I would posit that his unique ability to brazenly lie about everything, makes some comfortable in the fact that they daily lie to themselves about what's really wrong. This is not all Trump voters, but some.
     
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    Meuller outright stated in the conclusions of Obstruction section of the report that it's congresses job to determine if there was an abuse of corrupt power.

    he names congress directly. he names the checks and balances of the consitution and that it's congresses job to make that determination.


    Anyone who continues to claim it's 100% on the DoJ to determine if the president abused his power to obstruct, has not read the report. Does not understand the report, and is repeating the exact nonsense that Barr is getting dragged over the coals for. Because it's a gross misrepresentation of the words Mueller put in his report.

    But at this point, they know that. They don't care. It's all about "Winning" to the die hard Trump supporters and are willing to put Trump and Party above the country and the law itself.
     
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    For christs' sake. Collusion is not a crime. Never has been. Now its a Right-wing meme. This would be about obstruction-of-justice most likely, which is a crime.
     
  23. pl1984 macrumors 68020

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    To bolster their resumes.
     
  24. blackfox macrumors 65816

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    As a rule, I go with occams' razor...and this fails.
     
  25. pl1984 macrumors 68020

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    Then you have to agree that there's no there there and the Democrats are engaged in a witch hunt.
     

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