DOMA /Prop 8 Both DEAD

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Happybunny, Jun 26, 2013.

  1. Happybunny, Jun 26, 2013
    Last edited: Jun 26, 2013

    Happybunny macrumors 68000

    Sep 9, 2010

    Looks like the the USA has joined the 21st Century.

    - The Supreme Court on Wednesday struck down a federal law that restricts the definition of marriage to opposite-sex couples in a major victory for the gay rights movement.

    The ruling, on a 5-4 vote, means that legally married gay men and women are entitled to claim the same federal benefits that are available to opposite-sex married couples.

    The court was due to decide within minutes a second case concerning a California law that bans same-sex marriage in the state.
  2. lannister80 macrumors 6502


    Apr 7, 2009
    HOORAY! But really, 5-4? I thought it wouldn't be so close...
  3. DakotaGuy macrumors 68040


    Jan 14, 2002
    South Dakota, USA
    This is great news! Hopefully other discriminatory laws will go away in time as well.
  4. IGregory macrumors 6502a


    Aug 5, 2012
    Really, aren't all these social issue cases close.
  5. vega07 macrumors 65816

    Aug 7, 2006
  6. MegamanX macrumors regular

    May 13, 2013
    Sadly what should of been a 9-0 ruling turns into this BS. This is crap and we all know it.
  7. costabunny macrumors 68020


    May 15, 2008
    Weymouth, UK
    victory for common sense is still a victory :)

    Happy day for equality
  8. vega07 macrumors 65816

    Aug 7, 2006
  9. rdowns macrumors Penryn


    Jul 11, 2003
    A great day fro America. Too bad we couldn't say the same about yesterday's ruling.

    Already announced. No standing to sue for prop 8 defenders.
  10. KentuckyHouse macrumors 68020


    Jan 29, 2010
    Lexington, KY.
    Please. The conservative justices don't vote based on legal arguments...they clearly vote based on their personal politics. How else do you explain Scalia's argument against DOMA? Here's a great tweet I read that sums it up..."Scalia dissenting on DOMA because it's "democratically adopted legislation" the day after striking down the Voter Rights Amendment is simply stunning". He's CLEARLY a hypocrite. BOTH are "democratically adopted legislation"'s just that neither fall in line with his politics.

    A couple of the conservative justices on SCOTUS are complete jokes and frankly, dangerous.
  11. chrono1081 macrumors 604


    Jan 26, 2008
    Isla Nublar
    Yay I'm closer to being recognized as a real citizen and not just a paycheck for the government (in the form of taxes).
  12. MegamanX macrumors regular

    May 13, 2013
    They should of struck down prop 8 completely and said gay mariage is a basic right. Not this crap of not wanting to touch it. But the conservative block does not give a real damn. Those guys need to step down.
  13. ugahairydawgs macrumors 68030


    Jun 10, 2010
    Still trying to figure out why yesterday was a terrible event. It seems to me that the VRA, while at one point was of the utmost importance, now serves (err...served) to use a 50 year old formula to apply regulation to states that have come a long way int he last half century.

    Is everything rainbows and butterflies now? Of course not.....but getting rid of a restrictively antiquated bill with a charge to Congress to come up with something modern and applicable to today's society seems like a prudent step to take.
  14. Technarchy macrumors 604


    May 21, 2012
    I called it awhile ago. Not all that shocking really.

    Another nail in the coffin of the Bill Clinton Legacy.
  15. tbobmccoy macrumors 6502a


    Jul 24, 2007
    Austin, TX
    That'll be the next step. As soon as a gay couple in another state moves to a state with a ban on their marriage, I.e. doesn't recognize their contract from the other state as the constitution requires, there is standing to sue in court. That case will eventually get to SCOTUS.
  16. MegamanX macrumors regular

    May 13, 2013
    They should od that and come to texas because the dumb ass we have running our gov here will appeal it all the way to SCOTUS
  17. tbobmccoy macrumors 6502a


    Jul 24, 2007
    Austin, TX
    True. I'm betting Rick Perry is having an awful day, especially after last night's defeat of their abortion ban :)
  18. NewbieCanada macrumors 68030

    Oct 9, 2007
    But won't go anywhere until at least one Justice dies or retires.
  19. miloblithe macrumors 68020


    Nov 14, 2003
    Washington, DC
    Definitely not rainbows and butterflies:

    State of Texas vs. United States of America

  20. Menel macrumors 603


    Aug 4, 2011
    Liberals created the law.
    Liberal justices struck it down.

  21. bradl, Jun 26, 2013
    Last edited: Jun 26, 2013

    bradl macrumors 68040


    Jun 16, 2008
    DOMA dead? Yes.

    Prop. 8 dead? Only for California. Why? Nothing was decided.

    Remember that hearing SCOTUS had on the merits in April? That was only to see if proponents had legal standing to even present the case. Those proponents were only for California, and not any other state. Since SCOTUS decided that the proponents didn't have standing, it was if they never saw the case before them to begin with. If they had standing, then they would have to see the case, and rule on the actual proposition. That didn't happen.

    So Merits threw the case back to the 9th, where Walker's decision stands. So Prop. 8 is only dead for California. Everywhere else is still back to what the states can do.

    If this were federal law, there would be standing if the Attorney General didn't want to defend it. Then SCOTUS would still have to rule on the entire law, which is exactly what they did with DOMA.

    Now.. I'm already hearing the continuation of the "Walker had personal interest/legislating from the bench" rants here in Sacramento. But effectively, Prop. 8 is dead for California, as the Governor, Lt. Governor, and Att. General were not going to defend it. But it does still leave the major questions unanswered: Gay marriage bans vs. the 14th Amendment. No case regarding that has made it to SCOTUS yet.

  22. Prof. macrumors 601


    Aug 17, 2007
    The four justices who voted to uphold DOMA and Prop 8 were: Justices John Roberts and Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito.
  23. yg17 macrumors G5


    Aug 1, 2004
    St. Louis, MO
    aka the RATS.
  24. chrono1081 macrumors 604


    Jan 26, 2008
    Isla Nublar
    What a bunch of twats. They should be removed as justices unless they can give a 100% legitimate reason for denying others rights..

    ...oh wait, they can't. They're personal beliefs got in the way of real justice.
  25. zioxide macrumors 603


    Dec 11, 2006
    They don't have the mental capacity to be qualified to be judges. They should be removed from the bench.

    Sadly that will never happen because half of our country is 50-100 years behind the rest of it.

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