Domestic Terrorist, Religious zealot, serial killer...all in one.

Technarchy

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We have a rare find. A serial killer who murders in the name of god, and engages in domestic terror to progress a political agenda.

Was this what Janet Napolitano and the DHS were afraid of with their domestic terrorism report?

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/08/07/645421/right-wing-extremism/

Ali Muhammad Brown murdered four people.

His reasons:

"vengeance" meant to compensate for U.S. military killings in the Middle East.
Brown is a devout Muslim opposed to U.S. intervention overseas, especially Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Iran, prosecutors said.

"All these lives are taken every single day by America, by this government. So a life for a life," he told investigators, according to the documents.
Brown further justified killing Tevlin by claiming the shooting was a "just kill," meaning he targeted an adult man and did not put any women, children or elderly people in danger.

In police interviews, Brown described the U.S.'s military campaign in the Middle East as evil and said if a "man sees evil, then he must take action against that evil," the court papers show.
The paper reported that Brown allegedly confessed to killing the men. All four victims, the paper reported, were shot multiple times in isolated areas late at night. Leroy Henderson, one of Brown's alleged victims, was shot in the back 10 times while he was walking home,


And were the victims cops or military or government officials?

Nope

One was just some kid college student.



http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/suspect-killed-n-teen-vengeance-military-article-1.1911964

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-jersey-students-accused-killer-also-charged-with-three-murders-in-washington/

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/386019/jihadist-serial-killer-no-ones-talking-about-michelle-malkin

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/21/man-charged-in-4-murders-was-on-bloody-crusade-prosecutors-say/
 
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Happybunny

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We have a rare find. A serial killer who murders in the name of god, and engages in domestic terror to progress a political agenda.

Was this what Janet Napolitano and the DHS were afraid of with their domestic terrorism report?

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/08/07/645421/right-wing-extremism/

Ali Muhammad Brown murdered four people.

His reasons:









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And were the victims cops or military or government officials?

Nope

One was just some kid college student.

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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/suspect-killed-n-teen-vengeance-military-article-1.1911964

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-jersey-students-accused-killer-also-charged-with-three-murders-in-washington/

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/386019/jihadist-serial-killer-no-ones-talking-about-michelle-malkin

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/21/man-charged-in-4-murders-was-on-bloody-crusade-prosecutors-say/
And your point is what exactly?

Given that there are 1.5 billon Muslims, given that there are 310 million US citizens, given that the US has over the years produced many serial killers.

The UK and the Netherlands has had this type of rogue lone wolf muslim killers, what makes you think that it wouldn’t happen to you.
 

Technarchy

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And your point is what exactly?

Given that there are 1.5 billon Muslims, given that there are 310 million US citizens, given that the US has over the years produced many serial killers.

The UK and the Netherlands has had this type of rogue lone wolf muslim killers, what makes you think that it wouldn’t happen to you.
1. DHS predicted a rise of domestic terror fanatics. Seems like they were on to something.

2. There are back and forth reports of him operating with accomplices, so this may not be a lone wolf situation.

Also...

Another militant Seattle jihadist, Muslim convert Ruben Shumpert (aka Amir Abdul Muhaimin) was arrested after an FBI raid in 2004 for his role in a terror-financing scheme. He skipped out on his sentencing hearing and turned up in Somalia, where he was killed fighting the U.S. military. Terror group al Shabaab hailed Muhaimin as a martyr.

Which brings us back to Ali Muhammad Brown, who had been arrested 10 years ago as part of Muhaimin’s suspected terror-financing ring. A decade later, despite being on the feds’ radar screen, four innocent men are dead at Muhammad Brown’s hand.
3. Europe is so inclusive, liberal and has many social programs, so on what grounds would Europe be growing domestic terrorists?
 

Shrink

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1. DHS predicted a rise of domestic terror fanatics. Seems like they were on to something.

2. There are back and forth reports of him operating with accomplices, so this may not be a lone wolf situation.

3. Europe is so inclusive, liberal and has many social programs, so on what grounds would Europe be growing domestic terrorists?
1. One guy does not a "rise" make.

2. Or...it may be a lone wolf situation. In the absence of hard data, the most parsimonious explanation.

3. Racism, alive and well in Europe, is one reason.
 

Happybunny

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3. Racism, alive and well in Europe, is one reason.

Racism is a major problem for all immigrants in Europe. The special trigger that affects the islamic youth is the in their eyes in injustice of the peoples in Gaza/Iraq.

The world goes bat **** crazy over Ukraine, but Gaza is pushed under the rug. It is a constant thorn in their minds.
 

Eraserhead

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Racism is a major problem for all immigrants in Europe. The special trigger that affects the islamic youth is the in their eyes in injustice of the peoples in Gaza/Iraq.

The world goes bat **** crazy over Ukraine, but Gaza is pushed under the rug. It is a constant thorn in their minds.
Gaza has certainly been well and neutrally covered by the BBC here.
 

Macky-Mac

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Racism is a major problem for all immigrants in Europe. The special trigger that affects the islamic youth is the in their eyes in injustice of the peoples in Gaza/Iraq.

The world goes bat **** crazy over Ukraine, but Gaza is pushed under the rug. It is a constant thorn in their minds.
I suspect that their issue with racism is really much closer to home than you suggest.



certainly it's more comfortable for europeans to place the blame outside of europe instead of looking at their own treatment of minority communities in their own countries
 

Happybunny

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I suspect that their issue with racism is really much closer to home than you suggest.

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certainly it's more comfortable for europeans to place the blame outside of europe instead of looking at their own treatment of minority communities in their own countries
While Geert Wilders is a problem to the integration of immigrants, and Islamic immigrants in particular. He is not the reason that young men leave the Netherlands and join IS in Iraq and Syria.

They have been radicalised via the internet and by Imans, in their minds the holy war is fuelled by the news of injustice against Islam in Iraq Gaza and the West Bank. The fact that they believe that the west gives Israel a free pass, but pushes for action over Ukraine.
 

Macky-Mac

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While Geert Wilders is a problem to the integration of immigrants, and Islamic immigrants in particular. He is not the reason that young men leave the Netherlands and join IS in Iraq and Syria.

They have been radicalised via the internet and by Imans, in their minds the holy war is fuelled by the news of injustice against Islam in Iraq Gaza and the West Bank. The fact that they believe that the west gives Israel a free pass, but pushes for action over Ukraine.
Notably they're NOT going off to fight in gaza, but rather to fight other muslims.

The reason they're susceptible to radicalization in the first place has to do with racism and discrimination where they live in europe.....rioting in Paris, rioting in Sweden, the existence of politicians like Geert, father & daughter Le Pen, groups like the EDL, german skinheads; these don't have anything to do with gaza but rather they're a reflection of conditions in europe and the treatment of minorities in europe......but I can understand why europeans wouldn't want to face up to that reality







 

jkcerda

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Torture him.

Find out who his accomplices are ... then torture them.

Before you know it, we'll capture Bin Laden.
Don't be silly, there is no money in the cure, but there are millions/billions/gazillions of dollars "fighting" the terrorism we helped create. Not to mention crapping on civil liberties is justified when clowns like this one pop up
 

Happybunny

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Notably they're NOT going off to fight in gaza, but rather to fight other muslims.

The reason they're susceptible to radicalization in the first place has to do with racism and discrimination where they live in europe.....rioting in Paris, rioting in Sweden, the existence of politicians like Geert, father & daughter Le Pen, groups like the EDL, german skinheads; these don't have anything to do with gaza but rather they're a reflection of conditions in europe and the treatment of minorities in europe......but I can understand why europeans wouldn't want to face up to that reality

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We have a major problem with racism in Europe, and nobody would deny it. You seem to be under so misguded idea that we think it's all fluffy bunnies here. It's not and since the recession it's only got worse, but that does not change the fact that the rise of radicalised Islamic terrorist youth is fuelled by the middle east, and not Amsterdam SE. The reason that they do not go to Gaza is there is no way they can travel to Gaza, Egypt has stopped many European from entering Gaza.
 

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The idea that we can keep terrorists out of the US is nonsense. There have been (remember the Oklahoma bombing, the Unabomber, Simbionese Liberation Front, the KKK), and always will be, malcontents who turn to violence. They are rare, and largely incompetent. On the grand scale of risks to our lives, they are low. Terrorists are winning because they have evoked a disproportionate response in terms of the human and financial resources we have devoted to fighting them. They have also provoked a disproportionate response in terms of abrogating hard-won civil liberties. For instance, there is now open talk among UK politicians of revoking the citizenship of anybody found to be a terrorist, in spite of a complete lack of any legal precedence that would allow that.

Seriously, folks, we need to get a grip. Terrorists will take lives, but then again so will pollution, poverty, infectious disease, automobile accidents, poor diets, lack of exercise, drinking, smoking, etc. Almost all of us will die from one or more of these other causes and not terrorism.
 

Macky-Mac

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We have a major problem with racism in Europe, and nobody would deny it. You seem to be under so misguded idea that we think it's all fluffy bunnies here. It's not and since the recession it's only got worse, but that does not change the fact that the rise of radicalised Islamic terrorist youth is fuelled by the middle east, and not Amsterdam SE....
it's always easier to blame the results of local racism on something other than local racism....as you say, you've had a rise in european racism but you seem to fail to make the connection between that increase and the reaction to it among minorities who face the it every day

... The reason that they do not go to Gaza is there is no way they can travel to Gaza, Egypt has stopped many European from entering Gaza.
they're not going to gaza because the fight against the apostate shi'ites isn't in gaza.....it's in iraq and syria (at the moment; maybe it'll be in your town soon :eek: )
 

Happybunny

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it's always easier to blame the results of local racism on something other than local racism....as you say, you've had a rise in european racism but you seem to fail to make the connection between that increase and the reaction to it among minorities who face the it every day.



they're not going to gaza because the fight against the apostate shi'ites isn't in gaza.....it's in iraq and syria (at the moment; maybe it'll be in your town soon :eek: )
Nobody has ever said that there is no problem with racism in Europe. But the racism is not the trigger for terrorism, if racism was the trigger for terrorism why don't blacks as a group take up terrorism. The group that uses terrorism is Islamic based, look at the underpants bomber, look at the attack on the British soldier in London, and all this as it's roots in the middle east.

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Then why isn't your nickname Sadbunny, huh? HUH? :mad:
Now you just being a meanie.:p
 

citizenzen

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Seriously, folks, we need to get a grip. Terrorists will take lives, but then again so will ...
Agreed.

I think the whole point is despite that, we shouldn't turn away from the values that we aspire to: freedom, liberty, justice, etc.