Don’t Trust Benjamin Netanyahu on Claims About Iran’s Nuclear Program

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  1. RootBeerMan macrumors 65816

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    Last week Netanyahu trotted out his same old, tired and disproved lies about Iran and the Nuclear Deal. All of this to goad Trump into canceling it. Now, I have little doubt that Trump will cancel it, he's just that big of a fool and there are too many hawks in the GOP that will back the insane move. This would likely lead to yet another regional war, (if not a World War) that the US would bear the brunt of, all to appease the Israel lobby. By all accounts Iran is sticking to the treaty and it's doing what it is supposed to. It is time for the congress and the people of the US to tell Bebe to shut the hell up and get his own country in order and stop trying to start a war with Iran. This treaty is one of the few things of merit that Obama managed to do in his tenure. Tearing it up just to deny him his legacy, as Trump is doing, is petty and dangerous beyond reason.

    https://www.cato.org/publications/c...-netanyahu-claims-about-irans-nuclear-program

     
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    Can you tell me how the iran deal is good for the US or the rest of the world?
     
  3. RootBeerMan thread starter macrumors 65816

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    It keeps Iran from producing and researching nuclear weapons, (which they weren't doing in the first place) and gives their leaders more time to decide if they want to pursue peace, rather than war. So far they are pursuing peace and economic stability, (when the idiots in DC aren't trying to impose sanctions on them in an attempt to abrogate the spirit of the treaty.

    One of the better responses, in regards to this matter came from LizCat in another thread. SHe said it much better than I could and at length.

    Hey John Kerry...you’re no longer with the State Department
     
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    Netanyahu Provides Stunning New Evidence That Iranians Planned Sacking Of Babylon In 539 B.C.

    TEL AVIV, ISRAEL—Presenting the documents as proof that Iran entered the Joint Comprehensive Plan nuclear agreement in bad faith, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Tuesday provided what he is calling “stunning new evidence” that Iranians planned the 539 B.C. sacking of Babylon. “This trove of recently uncovered top-secret information proves Iran is a dangerous nation that withheld key details concerning their sixth-century B.C. conquest of Mesopotamia during nuclear program negotiations,” said Netanyahu, who claimed Mossad agents infiltrated Iranian facilities to capture thousands of pages of charts, maps, and official correspondence detailing the nation’s clandestine efforts to overthrow the Ptolemaic Dynasty and subjugate the Cappadocians. “The Iran nuclear deal’s framework is premised on misleading information—not only did Iran fail to mention attacking Babylon, but we also have proof that Xerxes I planned to cross the Hellespont in 481 B.C. to land 50 war elephants at Byzantium. Israeli intelligence has also obtained proof that thousands of spears and chariots were stockpiled for a surprise excursion into Parthia. As a result, we have no choice but to tear up the nuclear deal.”
    https://www.theonion.com/netanyahu-provides-stunning-new-evidence-that-iranians-1825694150
     
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    That article has more truth than anything Bibi has ever said.
     
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    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...am-hired-spy-firm-dirty-ops-iran-nuclear-deal

     
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    Couldn’t he at least have hired a US firm to do the dirty work?
     
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    Authentic source, please.
     
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    It’s “innocent until proven guilty”, isn’t it?
     
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    In November 2011, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) reported credible evidence that Iran had been conducting experiments aimed at designing a nuclear bomb until 2003, and that research may have continued on a smaller scale after that time. IAEA GOV/2011/65 (8 November 2011).
     
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    ...which of course everybody involved in the negotiations was well aware of. What is your point?
     
  13. RootBeerMan thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Check the above article and any 50 other news articles on the web. Here are a couple to get you started.

    https://www.rferl.org/a/iaea-saw-no...ng-on-nuclear-weapon-after-2009/29201840.html

    http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/261804-iran-worked-to-build-nuke-in-past-un-report-says

    They never got off the drawing board and they stopped many years ago, at that point.
     
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    If we're giving North Korea, a country that has actually built nuclear weapons a chance, shouldn't we be equally if not more open to a country that hasn't built them and has worked at opened diplomacy longer then NK?
     
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    Can you tell me how the iran deal is bad for the US or the rest of the world?
     
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    are you sure of that?
     
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    Any reason why I shouldn't be?
     
  19. raqball macrumors 68000

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    Let me think about this one for a second.... Trust Netanyahu or trust a state sponsor of terror... Hummm,,,,,,,, Ahhhhhh, ummmmm, I dunno but I think I'll go with Netanyahu on this one... :D
     
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    And that is the error here.

    However you mistrust Iran. doesn't make Netanyahu anymore trustworthy.


    As to "state sponsor of terror", if we stick to the region that would be Saudia Arabia, if we take a broader look, USA and "regime change" politics tops them all.


    So what is the solution?
    Start a war and install a new Shah? Worked like a charm last time.
    Strangle them with (more) sanctions? Way to go if you want to make sure the Mullahs stay in power for the rest of the century (just look how those worked with ousting Castro)
    Or maybe put them into a position where they actually have something to loose?
     
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    https://theintercept.com/2015/03/02/brief-history-netanyahu-crying-wolf-iranian-nuclear-bomb/

     
  22. AsherN macrumors 6502

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    Iran does not have nuclear weapons. The deal stalls their development by a good 10 years. Attitudes, demographics and time are not in favour of the hardline Mullahs. A majority of young Iranians are pro-western and not rabid Islamists. That 10 year can be the time needed for a Iranian engineered regime change.
     
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    If this story is true (about Trump hiring people to spy on Ben Rhodes) it would very well be cause for impeachment.

    Because spying on US citizens without a warrant or probable cause is a crime. Hiring someone to do it is conspiracy. And use of US taxpayer money for the purpose is theft. Rhodes and others targeted by the investigators would have cause to sue Trump personally. And a sitting President is not immune to such suits, and he can't pardon his way out of paying damages.
     
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    "All the little things..."

    There was a fad for awhile to collect tiny charms on a bracelet in remembrance of assorted special events, a diploma or a cap for a graduation, a seahorse for a beach vacation, etc.

    Maybe someone should make up some tiny gold shovels and hand them around to Trump and his aides for their charm bracelets. Seems like at least one of these guys opens his mouth with some bright idea and digs the whole crew into deeper trouble every day.

    And then there’s the press, assiduously digging up facts the Trump bunch figured they had managed to bury forever by farming it out to foreign nationals... LOL the press should get platinum shovels for their charm bracelets.
     
  25. Ulenspiegel macrumors 68030

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    You can find the sought-after point in post #11 in reference to ex cathedra statement in post #3. Take your time, read back.
    May I refer once again to post #9, namely, will you be so kind to provide an authentic source.
    IAEA - for instance - is an authentic source, to help you with this simple task.
     

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