Donald Trump and NATO

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  1. vrDrew macrumors 65816

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    Take five minutes out of your time obsessing over Hillary Clinton's cough, and understand, very clearly, the existential threat Donald Trump's amateurish and populist nonsense poses a clear and present danger to the security of pretty much every human being on the planet.



    Credible Commitment: A phrase anyone concerned with keeping this country out of a shooting war needs to understand. I understand what it means. Vladimir Putin understand what it means.

    Does Donald Trump?
     
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    Vox? Got a link to Mother Jones while you're at it?
     
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    We should notify NATO immediately that they have until the year 2025 to get it together because that is when the United States will withdraw from the alliance.
     
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    You have to understand that you're trying to get people who are obsessed with a pneumonia and a body double to discuss actual foreign policy. If it doesn't make a loud and boisterous talking point, there will be no interest.

    That said, it's worth nothing this video presents Trump in his own words, with no creative editing, showing an ignorance on NATO that is absolutely mind blowing.
     
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    That's not an answer either. People are criticizing Trump for saying that NATO allies should start to pay their fair share and not expect the US to pick up their slack and he's correct. Completely pulling out of NATO is not the correct response as it has been beneficial to all sides of the organization. During the Cold War NATO allies didn't get invaded by the Soviets, and soon after 9/11 NATO partners enacted Article 5 of the Treaty and helped us during the war on terrorism.
     
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    Barack Obama, and numerous other previous US Presidents and national security officials, have raised this issue.

    That's not the problem.

    The issue is publicly declaring that the US military response to an armed attack on a member state is questionable, depending on whether or not the sitting US President will decide that their level of military spending is 1.7% or GNP versus 2.00%.
     
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    Astonishingly, I agree with you.
     
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    So not adhering to the agreement because they didn't finance their own military with the REQUIRED 2.0% GDP? Agreements are null and void when one side fails to keep up their end of the bargain, at that point its one side taking advantage of the other.
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  10. vrDrew thread starter macrumors 65816

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    No, they aren't.

    Most marriage vows require that participants "love, honor, and obey" their spouse. Does that mean your wife has grounds for divorce if you don't pick up your dirty socks like she asked you to? Does that mean you wife is free to engage in an extramarital affair if you say she her yoga pants make her look fat?

    Only a disgusting maggot like Donald Trump would take the sort of nit-picky, argumentative approach to foreign relations, and relations with our allies, that Donald Trump has done.

    There have, over the decades, been numerous incidents where the United States and Great Britain, had widely divergent positions. Everything to the Suez Affair, to intervention in Vietnam, to parking tickets and congestion charges in London. Do those differences of opinion allow Britain, or the US, the right to abrogate the century-long special relationship that has kept both our countries safe and secure?

    Trump is positing the sort of small-minded, ultra-short-sighted vision that is unbelievably dangerous to pretty much every human being on the planet.
     
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    NATO lost it's raison d'être when the Warsaw Pact folded their tents and went home. We should begin by refusing to seat a new SACEUR, let the Brits or Germans take the top job. Then we remove our land forces, brigade by brigade, and hand the bases back over to the host countries. (Plenty of room for migrants in those kasernes.) Finally, we can rotate combat aircraft through for a few more years before we cut sling for good and all.
     
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    You seriously just compared marriage to a military alliance?
    Disagreements are completely different than REQUIREMENTS of a Treaty.
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    That might have been a good idea soon after the Soviet Union fell, had the West tried to be more inclusive of the Russians. We didn't and we are seeing the beginning of another hopefully (I'd rather it not go hot.) Cold War. It was a monumental failure of Western Governments to not do more to engage with the post Soviet Russia.
     

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