Donald Trump and the Rise of American Authoritarianism

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  1. jnpy!$4g3cwk macrumors 65816

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    A fascinating vox.com look at how the Republican Party became the party of authoritarianism, and, how Donald Trump reflects the views of authoritarians.

    One interesting thing is the claim (I haven't verified this in the literature) that a much simpler than usual four-question test correlates very reliably with the underlying psychological trait. Very clever if true:

    Unfortunately, what we have is this:

    http://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/11127424/trump-authoritarianism
     
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    Our current president signed the Patriot Act II, attacks Apple for defending the 4th Amendment rights of its customers, governs via Executive Order, and freely conducts extrajudicial assassinations of American citizens.

    It seems to me that American authoritarianism has been in place for some time now.
     
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    Exactly! You won't see Vox writing about Obama or Hillary like that.
     
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    It is too bad that you can't break out of this loop and have a real discussion. So, are you going to vote for Ron Paul, and complain to yourself when President Trump disembowels the First Amendment as Trump has promised to do if elected?

    Read the article. What is your score on the 4-question quiz?
     
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    No, I think every child should be aborted - they are overrated.:D

    In answer to your question list:

    1. If independent, they would starve, there are child work laws you know.
    2. If self reliant , then they would have to work to pay equal share of the bills with the parents
    3. Better to be taught respect than bigotry
    4. Both.

    PS. I do not subscribe to social re-programming type of questions. - Thanks..
    and libel /slander is a seperate issue than the 1rst amendment.
     
  6. sim667 macrumors 65816

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    WE MUST NOT DISCUSS WE MUST ONLY MAKE REACTIONARY COMMENTS.

    :p
     
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    AKA....that's beside the point.
     
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    That's a nice spin on things. Let's look at it from a more positive angle...

    If a child is independent, it means they're better able to think for themselves. Being well behaved is simply programming your kids to act in certain ways without any real thought or reasoning behind it.

    Self reliance is obviously more important. It's one of the great virtues we as a society should be upholding. Now obviously I'm not advocating we throw our children to the wolves, and we should enforce the fact we'll be there for them during those oh-so-confusing growing up years, but we should be instilling the ideal that they can also do things for themselves.

    If you teach children to be considerate, to consider the feelings and viewpoints of others, good behavior will follow. Though they'll also be less likely to take crap from others, which further strengthens their independence and self reliance.

    To teach a child to be curious of everything is to teach them to think for themselves, which, like consideration, further enforces their independence and self-reliance. Good manners, like etiquette, are simply a role people are expected to be played in certain social situations. Base consideration and a curious mind should always be of greater importance that set roles.
     
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    I have 4 grown up kids, all successful, intelligent, and courteous to mankind - no need to be lectured by socialist studies on *authoritarianism*.
     
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    This is hardly a socialist initiative. If anything, it's more a description of the ideal Western mindset, as defined by classic liberalism.
     
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    blah.blah.blah.blah...

    Do you remember those good old days when vinyl records would get damaged and kept skipping?


    You really need to find a new decomposing large mammal to beat on.
     
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    I remember my mother getting pissed when I used her records to try and scratch a dope track like Jam Master Jay.
     
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    Is Apple serious, though, in caring for such obvious human rights? Why now? Why only for privacy, while it uses lobbyists to write tax laws it tells us it hates? Why only for privacy, supposedly a human right, while it continues to overlook child labor and other human rights violations in its country of choice? It will continue to blame unions and teachers while doing nothing to actually legitimize its points - such as hiring Americans and training them at a reduced salary until merit is achieved. Let's really see Apple go all the way on these issues. Then it can be believed more readily.
     
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    Bingo!. ;)
     
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    You kinda lost me. Are you for or against classical liberalism?
     
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    I am a classic liberal -
     
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    I would say something witty, but the white people breeding thread has derailed my train of thought.
     
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    You are seriously confused.

    BTW, it is interesting that you assume that anything to do with psychology is "socialist". Maybe you had a socialist psych prof in college once?

    Authoritarianism is a psychological trait that can be studied statistically. Everyone is on the scale somewhere.
     
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    Democrats are the authoritarians because they know better and will cause you to bend to their will, up to and including do as I say, but not as I do.
     
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    Libel and slander are certainly not a separate issue from the First Amendment.

    As the U.S. Supreme Court ruled unanimously in New York Times v. Sullivan (1964) that "the First Amendment protects the publication of all statements, even false ones, about the conduct of public officials except when statements are made with actual malice (with knowledge that they are false or in reckless disregard of their truth or falsity)."
     
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    Fuzzy psychology test to me thank you, but I did take a psych course in college. The test is misdirected to single correlation to a pre-determined result. Not impressed.
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    1rst amendment does not give the right to falsely accused with reckless disregard of the truth is correct - which is libel /slander - so we agree, libel is not a first amendment right.. or is it?.
    So in essence libel and slander suits are no longer valid according to you and the court- correct?
     
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    Libel with actual malice is not protected by the First Amendment, but that's not what you said. Instead, you implied that they were "separate" issues. Which is wrong. Libel and slander are inherently linked to the First Amendment.

    As for "libel and slander suits" being no longer valid, I did not say that and you should consider why you offered up such a terrible straw man argument rather than just simply admit your earlier post is bunk.
     
  24. thewap macrumors demi-god

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    Well, isn't libel by it's definition malicious?
     
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    It's not really a psychological test. More a simple questionnaire that very broadly defines two different mindsets, which really says nothing by itself, but leads to interesting results when correlated with other evidence.
     

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