Donald Trump, delicate but very angry snowflake

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  1. Thomas Veil macrumors 68020

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    Well, this explains a few things:

    Well, all right. It looks like Sean Spicer does not take us for complete idiots after all. He was merely acting on orders from his extremely insecure boss.

    At this point I actually feel sorry for Spicer. That statement made him a laughing stock and spawned a lot of internet mockery.

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    I will say, Spicer looked a lot more competent at his press conference yesterday.​

    And this is both sad and scary, because it says Trump's ego is so inflated it is totally out of touch with reality and constantly in need of boosting.

    Boy, do I feel bad for anyone who works for him. Except, probably, Kellyanne Conway.
     
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    Well, how else do you explain the reliance on 'alternative facts'?
    Care to take a bet on what the serious estimate of the crowd will be from scientists who specialise in crowd estimation?

    In any case I give Spicer two weeks before Trump has a tantrum and fires him.
     
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    Standard procedure when they want to be on background.
     
  5. T'hain Esh Kelch macrumors 601

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    I had this impression when I watched Spicer talking.
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    Yes, he is already being called Baghdad Bob.
     
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    *Yellow* snowflake is what we're going with.
     
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    This made me laugh ;)
     
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    "Fake news", perhaps, but - and this is what is key - not entirely unbelievable given what we know already of Mr Trumps's character, conduct and the thin-skinned nature of his brittle and fragile ego.
     
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    I can't say I care too much but one has to wonder why they keep talking about minor things that don't matter. I woulda won the popular vote if not for those meddling immigrants. Most attended inauguration. Oh, btw, you'll never see his tax return period. This is great PR.

    I'm not a Trump fan but he has all kinds of positive stuff to go on about but seems more intent on handing the liberals cornball gifts to unwrap. This uncertainty has me on the sidelines in the market right now.
     
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    I might be overly optimistic, but I am left wondering if it's deception. People talk about a tweet, they talk less about TPP and other stuff. It gives Trump a lot of freedom of action.
    Or yeah, he might simply be thin skinned.
     
  12. samcraig macrumors P6

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    it's both. It's internet slight of hand. Misdirection. Say/post something outrageous so that gets the attention - meanwhile, the real issues are going under reported.
     
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    Actually, I think it is a strangely entwined mixture of both.

    But his extraordinarily thin skin is something he may need to address; his tenure will be torture for him, otherwise.

    Agreed.
     
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    I see this theory going around, but I've gotta ask: does Trump need a lot of freedom of action? He's only just entered the office of the President for the first time. He's got a Republican House and a Republican Senate backing him, and will have at least some amount of control over even the Supreme Court very very soon. There's nobody in any position to actually stop him from doing practically whatever he wants for quite some time.

    So, what is stopping him from simply acting? Does he really need to work hard to misdirect the press or the public before he makes any moves? Why does he feel the need to lie about anything?
     
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    What an amazingly high standard you have. I can see you now at the editors desk "It might be true? Well what are you waiting for then? Run the story!"
     
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    Because he has yet to work out the differences between being a businessman (CEO) and being someone in public service who lives their life in the public eye, in other words, being a politician.

    One of those key differences is that - for all of this widespread talk about how business reflects "real world" attitudes, values and real lives - unlike the supposed "bubble" of Washington, and the accompanying "Beltway Bandits" - who are, theoretically, out of touch, in reality, politicians live lives that keep them pretty aware of public opinion, and - for the most part - in touch with the public.

    They meet constituents, interest groups, the media, locally, and nationally, pretty regularly, - and, crucially, - are answerable to them. They also get used to press coverage, to being praised, but, more importantly, to being criticised, and to their actions being reported negatively, or in a poor light.

    This is where the fact that Mr Trump has not served in any public office - whatsoever - may well come back to haunt him. For, it is clear that he has not yet developed the political skills - not least a relatively thick skin - that those who have held public office at more junior levels acquire over time.

    As CEO, I suspect that he has been used to - and become used to - uncritical interactions with employees, sycophants and acolytes. In other words, those who report to him are entirely dependant on his goodwill - he can fire them - in a way that does not usually apply to the staff of a politician, who - among many other skills - must learn to listen to uncomfortable truths form his (or her) staff.

    CEOs are used to a good press, more often than not, and can often engineer it. Sometimes, they can buy it. Certainly, they rarely face the scrutiny that people in public life do.

    The thing is, Mr Trump is certainly not used to having to hear things he needs to hear, irrespective whether he wants to or not. And he is not used to having his version of events disregarded, disputed, contested, and ignored.

    Yes, he is a newly elected President, who has just taken office; this is normally when your approval ratings at at their highest, your own supporters still have hope in you, and the miasma of disappointment and learned limitations haven't kicked in. Yes, he has the House and the Senate (for at least two years - all bets are off after that, unless he is perhaps impeached by the GOP before then); and he has Supreme Court appointments to make.

    It won't get better than this.

    So, why isn't he more comfortable in his own skin? Why is he lashing out at those who do not take him at his own elevated estimation?

    This will be a steep learning curve.
     
  17. twietee macrumors 603

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    lol

    That post is gold!
     
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    Can you?

    Not surprisingly, I suspect that you are wearing mud-tinted spectacles.

    Actually, before committing anything to publication, - before any report I have ever written was sent to those to whom I reported - I have always double checked - and sometimes triple-checked - sources, irrespective of whether they were written, oral, or off-the-record: I am a trained historian, after all.
     
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    You know, I do have to wonder exactly who leaked this story to the Washington Post.

    Not to, in any way, doubt the veracity of the facts it presents. I find the whole story eminently plausible. But in order for the Washington Post to have published it, they must have gotten confirmation from at least one other source. Person ABC talks to a WaPo reporter about Trump's temper tantrum building as Spicer is unpacking his boxes. Reporter calls person XYZ (who also works in the White House) to confirm whether or not the story is true. Did Trump really get worked up over TV coverage?

    So, by my estimation, that makes at least two people working in very close proximity to the Oval Office who were willing to talk (off the record) about Trump's temper to a reporter for the paper that represents a key pillar of the "evil liberal media" establishment.

    Is this the way that the White House staff sends a message to a bad-tempered and abusive boss? Let him know that, while he might be President, the people who work for him are not totally powerless. And that being President is very different to being the boss of a family business.
     
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    The press and the people are not accountable to Trump, it's the reverse.
     
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    No, we're not worried about the WH Spokesman! ;) Come on, man, we're worried that Trump is a Snowflake. That he lashes out against any and all criticism, even mild criticism, such as that his very-well-attended inauguration was not quite as well attended as others. That he is willing to LIE to try and make it look like his was the best ever.

    This guy has just become the most powerful leader of the free world, and he's already complaining that he gets no respect.

    This is not a good omen.

    If this was an episode of The Apprentice, that'd be the correct strategy. Sadly, this is an episode of Reality, which means that when the new President screws up, we all get caught in the collateral damage. Not much to enjoy when that happens. :(
     
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    He's thin skinned.

    TPP was over without his signature. It's Congress'es to kill, and that has been the plan since before the inauguration.
     

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