Donald Trump...fourth grader

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Thomas Veil, Jan 22, 2016.

  1. Thomas Veil macrumors 68020

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    Link.

    So what does this say about Trump and voters? Is he that dumb in real life? Or is he simply talking down to a simpleton set of Republican voters?

    Personally I can't stand the way he talks. Can't stand it. It's something I can't stand. Who could stand it? It's annoying. Really annoying. Stupid people talk that way. Really stupid people. How can anybody stand it? It's so stupid.

    See what I mean? :D

    All this gives me yet another reason to be glad I'm a Bernie fan. But if Trump makes it to the general election and attracts more than, say, 20% of the vote, it'll say something very sad about our electorate.
     
  2. ericgtr12 macrumors 6502a

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    I think it speaks to their constituency more than anything, most are uneducated.
     
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    I guess the other eight Trump threads just on the first page weren't enough... :rolleyes:
     
  4. ericgtr12 macrumors 6502a

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    Perhaps the poster can lie and replace Trump with Obama, would that be more acceptable?
     
  5. haxrnick macrumors 6502a

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    Usually a sign of people getting nervous.
     
  6. ericgtr12 macrumors 6502a

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    I gotta tell you for me it's fun. This guy is a train wreck who regularly lobs us easy material.
     
  7. bpeeps macrumors 68020

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    Will you think its fun when we have 8 years of him?
     
  8. ericgtr12 macrumors 6502a

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    Well, they voted for Bush for 8 years so I guess anything is possible. Will I think it's fun when Trump takes to Twitter to engage in a grade school fight with his detractors, sets us on a collision course with the rest of the world and makes America's economy his fifth bankruptcy? To a degree, but I'll mostly point and laugh at the blow holes who voted for him.
     
  9. bpeeps macrumors 68020

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    I don't really think pointing fingers at people who nominated Bush got us anywhere, but to each their own.
     
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    I doubt America could survive 8 years I mean you can't file bankruptcy that many times in 8 years
     
  11. jnpy!$4g3cwk macrumors 65816

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    Although Trump is the lowest, they all do it, including Obama. There is no reason to believe that the IQ of Presidents or voters has dropped precipitously, either.

    My hypothesis is that what it reflects is the impact of TV (and its spawn, Twitter). When a politician, gives a speech that is too complex, the media (that is, TV), criticize it. When the speech is simple and repetitive, the media praise it for being on message. The medium is the message, and, since Eisenhower, the medium has been TV. Complex speeches do not make good TV news. Everybody knows it, and any new politician trying to break in learns to stay on message.
     
  12. Thomas Veil thread starter macrumors 68020

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    It feels like that already. :confused:
     
  13. bpeeps macrumors 68020

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    I didn't think the president could file bankruptcy at all, but I understand the joke.
     
  14. LizKat macrumors 68040

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    At first the GOP establishment didn't want Trump because, Trump. And because he's not a conservative. And because there were some mainstream candidates in the field.

    Also, the GOP didn't and doesn't want Cruz because of how he has behaved in the Senate with colleagues, and because of his attempts to manipulate the House as well.

    They realize Cruz would be useless as a Republican President (their dream) trying to lead a polarized Congress (the world's nightmare before THIS CAMPAIGN nightmare arose).

    After all, if even your own side of the aisle detests you, you're going to be swimming upstream from the launch.

    So now they're starting to airbrush Trump's flaws because their establishment candidates have not gained traction and Iowa is less than 2 weeks away. This despite knowing that the serious conservative press is today launching a massive effort to deter Iowan conservatives from actually giving Trump a bunch of ballots to prove he can make the grade.

    In a year where populism is king of the hill, backing Trump might not be a bad move as far as counting votes goes in the fall. But I have rarely seen a worse example of losing sight of the mission while drawing up battle plans.

    On the more trivial but still dreadful side: no way to keep Trump from flying off the handle and using foul language to a public gathering whenever he encounters some difficulty with the venue's audio setup. Will we have to get used to that if he's elected? Should go over really big in the international arena. Imagine networks bleeping ad lib remarks during a SOTU speech!
     
  15. ericgtr12 macrumors 6502a

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    The people will have nobody to blame but themselves. If he becomes president this is exactly what would happen, there's never been a more embarrassing, petulant presidential candidate.
     
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    We heard the same bluster of confidence from Palin supporters eight years ago. Look at where she ended up, exactly where we said she would - without an elected job in government, a continual national embarassment and a tabloid queen. It is really a no-brainer (no pun intended) that these two hooked up. Trump will be enjoying the same fate of irrelevance in a couple of years.
     
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    He knows his base.
     
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    Good luck to the RNC trying to gift wrap this guy for Iowans.
     
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    Maybe I'm missing something, but basic business guidelines are to keep language simple. We regularly receive counsel to minimize the difficulty of our documents as much as possible. There are a lot of reasons not to vote for Trump, but this isn't one of them. In fact, it says a lot that people are reaching this far. Here's some spin:

    The liberal media today showed their further disregard for new Americans, those who have been failed by our woeful public schools, and our disabled population. When one man makes a concerted effort to ensure that every voter can understand his platform and views, USA Today makes it a point to mock him for doing so. Hiding your intentions behind flowery language has led our country into the disasters that we face today. The President and other Democrats work hard every day to mislead voters using a verbal dance. Only Mr. Trump is willing to speak directly to every single voter and make sure they can all understand exactly what he will do to Make America Great Again. [additional spin]

    It isn't the best but it was written on the fly to support someone I don't trust. Frankly, this may be one of the few things he does that actually doesn't bother me.
     
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    I don't recall if it was in college, or when, or arguably why at the time, but someone once said "Always talk to your audience as if they are children, since it is easier for them to understand that way." That person was not wrong, but it's not limited to the followers of one political party... after all, look at all the republicans who somehow believe Hollywood is liberal when, looking beyond the liberal messages being peddled, it's a very cutthroat business that actively engages in sexism, racism, LCD means to get the most money, you know - stuff the dirty commie liberals hate because liberals hate business, how odd! Seems someone wants it both ways and it's not the liberals in this issue. If Hollywood really were liberal then society would have been better off by now. So if republicans can't follow their own logic, that's not the same thing thing as how to effectively communicate to the widest possible audience, which isn't about economics by default since the concept is used in every field. Even entertainment nowadays.
     
  22. BoxerGT2.5 macrumors 68000

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    That's rich considering the other side has a candidate with more ethics problems then a mob boss and the other who would be lucky to win 5 states.
     
  23. XrayTed macrumors regular

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    As if there is something inherently noble about a black/mexican/muslim/gay/wingnut voting base ?
     
  24. bradl macrumors 68040

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    When "whitepower" has carried racist undertones for nearly 150 years, and you subscribe to one of the founding documents of this country, that all are created equal, yes.

    Are you implying that you're wanting to play the victim here?

    BL.
     
  25. hulugu macrumors 68000

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    I appreciate a proper bit of spin, a fine job here.

    However, you miss the important difference between complex, but easily understandable content and simplistic content.

    The Flesch-Kinkaid score is highly flawed because it only accounts for word choice and sentence structure and doesn't account for the complexity of ideas.

    For example:

    That's from "Farewell to Arms" by Ernest Hemingway, and that section scores a 7.3 on the F-K grade level, and a 79.2 on the readability.

    And, it's worth noting that most political speech these days scores pretty low. The latest State of the Union address rates a 7.2 on the F-K score.

    The problem with Trump is that his words appear to have some meaning, but it's actually a vague nothingness (great, nice, smart) framed by his own ego that he is so much smarter, better, and more handsome than the rest and therefore can solve any problem that America has. (Ignoring that some of America's problems are exceedingly more intractable than a casino on the Atlantic City boardwalk.)
     

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