Donald Trump is not the disease. He is a symptom.

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  1. vrDrew macrumors 65816

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    There have been several articles making this assertion. That Trump is a symptom of the disease that has taken hold of the Republican Party, of US society, culture, and politics. And of the malaise affecting liberal democracies around the world.

    I think its a compelling argument. And one people of all political viewpoints ought to consider.

    Many of my liberal friends hold out hopes that the Mueller investigation is going to somehow magically undo the results of the 2016 election. That's not going to happen.

    But my conservative friends have some soul searching to do as well. How did a reality TV/carnival barker become the leader of the party of Reagan and Eisenhower? (Concerned about budget deficits and the debt? Seen the latest numbers from the CBO? Are you happy now?)

    Donald Trump will disappear from the US political scene in either 2020 or 2024. (Bit of an assumption here..)

    The question is: Will the disease that spawned his rise and Presidency be under control by then? Or will Trump's frankly incompetent authoritarianism be replaced by something even more malignant?

    Because if that disease it is not contained, then the United States - as the leader of the world's finance capitalist liberal democracies - is doomed.

    Those, my friends, are the stakes.
     
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    “If you have selfish ignorant citizens then you’re going to have selfish ignorant leaders.” -George Carlin
     
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    This so called Albatross, or super villain you speak of is the direct result of the HRC campaign, the DNC and the collusion they had with the MSM, regarding the pied piper strategy. All of this can be verified through the Wikileaks emails. The fact that the DNC was taken over by HRC, the fact that they're basically bankrupt, with no official leadership speaks volume. Progressiveness Democrats where taken over by pay to play cronies, thus a populist TV president was born.
     
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    Utter nonsense.

    Do you think, deep in whatever he has left for a soul, that Donald Trump really gives two ***** about abortion? About gun rights? About the deficit? Does Donald Trump (see the thread about immigrant workers at his resorts) really give two ***** about good jobs for American workers? Do you really think Donald Trump cares that much about upholding Christian values in American schools?

    He doesn't.

    Trump cynically used the fears of white working class Americans to vault himself into a position of power and influence he is utterly unqualified for. He used the propaganda machine of Fox News, and the unquestioning loyalty of Republican voters.

    Why are (so-called) Evangelical voters supporting a thrice-divorced, thrice bankrupt sexual predator? Why did they vote for him?

    That is the disease.

    You can delude yourself that Hillary Clinton is some sort of supervillain all you want. But the longer you do that, the longer you put off dealing with the cancer that is eating away the Conservative side of American politics. I won't pretend that Democratic politics are in great shape either. But at least we have the honesty to take a long hard look at ourselves.
     
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    Of course he cares about it. I’m sure he is very thankful for the child support payments it has saved him over the years.
     
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    The entire point of this thread is to look beyond Trump and examine the failings of our political institutions and processes that lead to us having horrific choice after horrific choice.

    It will inevitably devolve into team sports as these usually do but let’s not poison the well so quickly.
     
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    Basically your case against Trump is that he lacks morals, doesn't care, and exhibits behavior that's unbecoming of a sitting President. You and others here also seem to be equally, or more outraged at the voters who got him elected. However I don't see it that way. Take Twitter for example, he uses it to convey his messages to the public directly, bypassing the MSM. Lets face it, the Press in large ****ing hates him, like a lot of you do here. He does have a huge ego problem, but I don't think that disqualifies him from being POTUS. I don't think he's very religious, having 3 ex-wives and relations with a lot of women isn't Christian like, however if he repents he can be forgiven. Just because someone does immoral things in the past doesn't mean they should be condemned for life. Same thing can be said for ex-convicts that can't get a job, or former alcoholics and drug addicts. Do we condemn all them for the rest of their days, because of what happened in the past, or can they be forgiven?

    You guys seem afraid this #Russiagate investigation isn't going to catch an impeachment, so now you attack his character and the people that voted for them. I find it disingenuous that you attack people on a person level, because they voted for him, as to shame them for voting for such a thing. It's a form of online bullying IMO.
     
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    What has he done to “repent” beyond shake hands with the “Devil” on every deal he could make? When has he ever said - before Huckstersleaze - what she said? “Women can ruin lives”. “The president meant abusing a woman can ruin both their lives”.

    She’s either calling him stupid or a liar.
     
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    Bernie Sanders could have been president but Hillary stole the nomination! But instead it "America/democracy is sick b'cuz Trump is president"
     
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    Unless you are against everything that this country has ever stood for if you voted for him you abandoned all of your principles for the letter next to his name. Those who did that more than deserve personal attacks.
     
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    You basically called every American who voted for Trump a traitor, and that they should be bullied. Wow.
     
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    So simple. He won because Hillary was worse. She is corrupt, arrogant, bigoted. So is Trump, but the Hill is worse. I am an indie who vote for Obama, but no way I could for her and Bill.
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    And look beyond Obama, Hill, bill, and Chelsea. Let's get beyond all of it.
     
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    I’m not holding my breath, but don’t be sure. The continuing Mueller investigation combined with Trump Administration Incompetence, corruption, more firings of high level WH/Judicial Dept personnel, and wrapping himself tightly in a snare of lies, might actually push the GOP to bail on defending the greatest threat to the country since WWII.
     
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    I would be curious to see your personal list of 'everything this country has ever stood for.'
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    Actually, the ways it's going, Hill might be the one to end up in jail. Why do you think the GOP is not actively hindering the investigation?
     
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    Slaveowners who wanted to be free, honorable deflection from a nation... their honorable flags and statues, Holocaust deniers.... separation of church and state while upholding Christian conservative values....
     
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    They tend to be the people who are against being politically correct so they should be happy to be bullied since it’s what they want. Unless they are too delicate of snowflakes to withstand mean words on the internet.
     
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    He's something that reaffirms our constitutional Democracy. Hillary spent 1.2 billion, while Trump only 600 million. That means money by itself cannot buy you the presidency. IMO, an underdog like Trump getting in means our government isn't entirely controlled by corporate-establishment Dems and Repubs. That's actually a good thing. Do you want our POTUS to be controlled by special interests, and pay to play schemes?
     
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    Trump is a symptom. The minority of Americans that elected him are the disease.

    It's kind of a phenomenon that people think a Billionaire with private jets, a severe case of narcissism, and gold plated toilets is just like them and looking out for their best interests.

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    Super pacs have made money spent directly by candidates less important. Plus Trump had the help of the Russian government and who knows how much they spent to get him elected. I’d rather have someone bought and paid for by corporate interests than a hostile foreign power.
     
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    What Trump does is laughable... “8 black men killed in hate crime”.

    Won’t say anything.

    He’s asked on camera...

    “Well, killings are up everywhere. When you look at Detroit, Chicago, it’s sad.”

    “Can you say anything about THIS killing? It happened in SanFran”

    “We’re looking into Chicago”.

    Hucksterleaze: “He was looking into all realms, it was you who lied.”
     
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    That's a brilliant strategy, attack the people who voted for him. Democrats should run with that in 2018/2020 and see where it takes them. Perhaps attack Christians as well, especially the evangelicals.
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    Evil Capitalism! How dare people want to make as much money as possible and live a luxurious life, right? Do Democrats now see themselves as socialists, or even communists?
     
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    It worked pretty well for the Republicans.
     

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