Donald Trump is UnPresidented!

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by jpietrzak8, Dec 17, 2016.

  1. jpietrzak8 macrumors 65816

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    Donald Trump makes an unpresidented statement! He is outraged, simply outraged, that China pulled an American oceanic science submersible drone out of the water. And so, he tweeted

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/trump-china-drone-seizure-232775

    Good job, man! Way to take a relatively small incident and blow it out of all proportion. (And show the world that you can't spell, either.) A great start to international diplomacy for the Trump administration.
     
  2. steve knight macrumors 68020

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    News Trump does all his things with tweets. executive tweet orders.
     
  3. zin macrumors 6502

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    What exactly is being blown out of proportion? China stole U.S. Government property that was legally operating in international waters. You're not outraged that China is flagrantly disregarding international law?
     
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    I'm sure China made sure they already stole in previous hacks all of the intellectual property before they return it.
     
  5. steve knight macrumors 68020

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    are you outraged russia hacks the us?
     
  6. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    No. not outraged. China is trying to draw out that kind of reaction. So a cooler response is IMO far more appropriate and desirable. That doesn't mean you ignore it, or roll over and play dead. But you don't act like it's an international outrage.
     
  7. jpietrzak8 thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Well, in the sense that laws were broken, lawyers should be called upon. In the sense that a neighbor stole one of our tools, it needs to be returned.

    But, looking at Trump's snap response to this "provocation"? It reminds me of nothing so much as how Clinton led him around by the nose during the three debates. You can make this man jump through any set of hoops you want, just by feeding him the right stimulus.

    Donald Trump is a man who can so easily be pushed in one direction or another. Other nations are going to be rolling all over us during the next four years... :(
     
  8. zin macrumors 6502

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    China has been expanding into the South China Sea vigorously. You may have noticed that they've been building military installations. Stealing this drone is simply the icing on the cake.

    There comes a point where China needs to be told to stop. The 'cooler' response is what has allowed them to get away with so much. The U.S. imposed sanctions on Russia for far less.
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    Are you talking about the DNC breach? There has been zero evidence presented by the authorities to support that assertion.
     
  9. jpietrzak8 thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Yup. We are the world's policemen, after all. We definitely need to send Americans in to fight and die over the South China Sea.
     
  10. zin macrumors 6502

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    Of course, that's what I said. :rolleyes:
     
  11. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    They've been told.

    But do you see the key word in South China Sea? That's their region. So they aren't going to stop, anymore than the U.S. would give up controlling waters around North America.
     
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    The problem is the International Law about open water and China claiming tradional open water is their own waters.
     
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    It isn't 'their' region. It is in international waters!
     
  15. jpietrzak8 thread starter macrumors 65816

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    That is, indeed, a problem. There's a bigger problem, though: Donald Trump apparently has no clue about, or interest in, international law. He just wants to punch people in the face. This is where the term "escalation" comes into effect: he's moving the issue right out of the courts of law and into international brinksmanship...
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    Yeah, that's right! Those are our international waters, not their international waters. They are intruding on our space!
     
  16. zin macrumors 6502

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    Do you ever get tired twisting everything I say?

    If they are international waters, then China has no right seizing another nation's sovereign property. The fact that property, in this case, belongs to the United States is irrelevant. It also has no right imposing travel restrictions that inhibit the free travel of vessels.
     
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    I guess Trump needs to tell them that then.

    They'll smack their forehead and say, "Omigod! We are sooo sorry. We had no idea!"
     
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    China probably made it. It's NOAA not military.
     
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    Much of our trade goes through those international waters. You're being naive. The US (and, ironically, China, plus a large number of other Asian countries from Korea to Australia) once paid a heavy price for being complacent in the Pacific. Never again.

    Frankly, products from the PRC should be fined the cost of the submersible per day in punitive tariffs until the machine is returned in working order and intact. Furthermore, in the future such submersibles should be fitted with remote controlled explosives should the Chinese try this stupid nonsense again.
     
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    yes the CIA and the fbi sources are untrue.
     
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    If that was true it would just show how terrible a candidate she was to lose to him.
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    The US doesn't control waters around North America. It controls a fairly limited amount of water around the US. Everything else is international waters.
     
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    So is this retaliation for Trump talking with Taiwan.
     
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    No, they are building permanent bases in international water and claiming it as their own.

    South China Sea is a geographical term, not a term for who owns it. Just like all of the Indian Ocean does not belong to India.

    I think what Trump said here is fine (for a change). He's actually doing the right thing here. Although I have to wonder if he would blow a boat out of the water for someone merely flipping us off, what is the countermeasure to someone stealing our property?
     
  25. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    The drone cost somewhere around $150,000, which is a drop in the bucket compared to the billion dollars plus per day that China imports to the U.S.

    As for the explosives ... imagine the scientists getting to work day in and day out with something rigged to explode ... just so you can play gotcha in the rare case the Chinese try to take it.
     

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