Donald Trump supporters are not idiots...

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by vrDrew, May 11, 2016.

  1. vrDrew macrumors 65816

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    At least according to a New Republic story.


    But its not all roses and sunshine in Trumpland. It turns out

    And:

     
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    Let's wait to see his tax returns first and if he's in the Panama Papers, since a lot of his supporters don't seem to be happy with that little tree byproduct...

    Or how he responds to this article:
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ct-check-trump-made-in-the-usa-spin/84246852/

    Or all the other articles that point out his pure flip-flopping, such as illegals, h1B, minimum wage, and other issues.

    Or will he blame the media, which goes after all the candidates but only the candidates supporters seem to think that only theirs has been ill-treated.

    And Americans can vote for whomever they want. Populism isn't democracy, nor is democracy populism. In either case, we are neither - for we are a Republic.

    Like I said, I'm waiting for the actual debates. Right now, all the media is playing games.

    If nothing else, the first paragraph should end with "average American"...
     
  3. MadeTheSwitch macrumors 6502a

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    I don't believe they are smart educated people. Have you ever heard any of the interviews with them? Smart is definitely not an impression you would be left with. Compare and contrast with the anti-Trump voters in this video (warning for some f bombs about 2/3 of the way in) :

     
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    And if you called him KKKrump, his savy, highlyy educated fans would be proud. Who would of guessed? :D
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    Those are crosses she's wearing? Must be the latest fashion statement. ;)
     
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    Didn't follow the links, did you?

     
  6. APlotdevice macrumors 68040

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    I ran into one of Trump's racist supporters in a comment section recently. I hereby refer to this person as "Pond Scum":

    Pond Scum:
    America was much more peaceful under segregation. How many white lives are lost to non-white criminals each year? That alone justified having some form of apartheid.
    Random Individual: Take a look at the UCR crime rates of the FBI and then get back to me ;-). You're wrong.
    Pond Scum: The feds label mestizos, Amerindians, and north Africans as white. If they were done properly, meaning if criminals were categorized according to their real racial identity, the statistics change by a lot, to be more specific: the white crime rate would drop and the overall non-white crime rate would rise after a significant amount of "digits" switched sides.
    Me: If the math is inconvenient then obvious the math is wrong! Yeeeah, sure bub...
    You know, my great grandfather was like you. Filled with hatred and ignorance. I can only imagine what his face must have looked like when he discovered his grandson was dating a Jew. :p
    Pond Scum: Race traitor, eh? There's a novel that William Luther Pierce wrote. Actually two of them. One was fully "dedicated" to your kind, the other was "semi-dedicated" to your kind*. Love both books.
    Me: And here I was hoping you'd bring up some nutty conspiracy about how Jews were controlling the world, which I could openly mock by suggesting that everything bad that has ever happened, starting with your first tooth ache, to you is part of the "great zionist plan". I mean come on, you have to give me better material to work with here!
    Pond Scum: The whole "conspiracy" is real, but not in the way you think. Think of it as a big casino with big players, and yes, the biggest winners and beneficiaries out of what's going on are the jews. They lobbied for open borders to white countries louder than anyone else, they used their wealth to apply pressure on politicians, they weaseled their way into the media and entertainment business and used it to brainwash entire countries into accepting racially-suicidal doctrines. They even brag about it, joel stein wrote about it in 2008; check out his article "who runs Hollywood."
    Me: Darn, ya found us out! Sniper team, move out!

    *The book in question calls for so called "race traitors" to be lynched en masse.

    I know not all Trump supporters are like this, but there is no denying that the White Power and Neo-Nazi nutters have chosen their candidate.
     
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    Hillary should cough up her bank speech transcripts like she said she would before telling anyone else to release anything. Bernie released his taxes like promised from the debate and Hillary backed down like a coward. What a piece of ****.
     
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    Incorrect. She asked for all other candidates to release their paid speeches not their taxes as a condition. In other words speech to speech, tax to tax comparison.

    Further, it's common practice (to the 1950's I believe) for candidates to release their taxes. This call to release speeches is something new and just all kinds of BS. Also a distraction. Hillary has released tax records all the way back into the '70s, Trump hasn't released anything at all and Bernie hasn't come close to releasing that much. So, if you want to talk about who has been the most transparent here with normal presidential precedent, it would be Hillary, least would be Trump. Bernie falls in the middle.
     
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    Bernie said he would release all of his paid speeches. Hillary backed down. Cowardly Hillary.
     
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    They just don't care. Trump lies in their face over and over again. They just don't care.
     
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    Seems about half the voters only know two letters of the alphabet and couldn't fill out a ballot without them.

    I'll wait for a follow up post about the intelligence (cognitive dissonance) of Hillary voters.
     
  12. vrDrew, May 11, 2016
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    I'm not totally convinced that education level (and certainly not income level) is a particularly precise guide as to whether or not someone meets my definition of an idiot. I think most of us have, at one time or another, encountered people holding advanced degrees from prestigious institutions, who seem almost mind-numbingly stupid.

    The thing that I, personally, find most amazing about Trump is the way people seem not to see the utter fraudulence of him. To ignore the narcissism, the cruelty. The bragging and the ignorance.

    Of course, I'm not the sort of person who'd sign up for Trump University or a Multi-Level Marketing scam; or join a cult.

    And I think its pretty fair to say that most of the things Trump is promising - from the Wall with Mexico to the ban on Muslims, to the Mass Deportations - aren't really things that the President on his own could make happen. I'm quite sure that the Supreme Court would knock down the Muslim ban. And I doubt, quite seriously, that Congress would fund the building of a wall, or the massive cost of rounding up and deporting 11 million people.

    Maybe those college-educated Trump people don't know this. But more likely they simply don't care.

    The one interesting (but extremely tiny) demographic that Trump seems to get strong support from: Athletic coaches. Bobby Knight and Mike Ditka, to name just two. And I think thats significant, at least when it comes to the psychology of Trump supporters. Because so much of current American popular culture is built around the idea of the team Coach or Manager with near-infinite power. That if you can hire a coach who gives stirring enough half-time speeches; that somehow your team of sad-sack losers will turn into Champions. That myth might hold some water at the lower levels of amateur athletics.

    But its a pretty poor metaphor for picking a President. Especially if you are picking a Coach-in-Chief who not only has never played the game, doesn't know any of the players and doesn't even seem to understand the basic mechanics of how the game is played.
     
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    Islam is not a race.

    Look up who the last people were who tried to declare a religion a race.

    Mexican is not a race either.
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    What's the point?
     
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    Such talk had jumped the shark when Trump was at half-time, having knocked out 8 Republican competitors. So it comes as quaint reading such sentiment now that Trump remains after vanquishing the balance and is due to meet with a receptive Paul Ryan, looking to save face. Left wing media gave it their best, as we all witnessed, with daily diatribes that used to work, but the media has been Left bewildered and made irrelevant.
     
  15. vrDrew thread starter macrumors 65816

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    You have managed to prove one of the assertions made in the article; while simultaneously disproving the other. And not in a good way, either.

    Have fun figuring that one out.
     
  16. APlotdevice macrumors 68040

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    The point is you have a problem when your candidate is actively endorsed by those who want all non-white people to be expelled from the US.
    Jews are not a race either. That doesn't stop people like "Pond Scum" from clumping us into their insane racial ideology.
     
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    How clever ... :rolleyes:

    Almost as clever as your usual regressive garbage to call everyone and everything racist.
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    You are the one calling religions and nationalities races.

    And Trump has no control over who endroses him.

    Hitlary on the other hand has actively endorsed Klansmen!!!
     
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    Yes, when Pond Scum called my father a "race traitor" for dating a Jewish woman, clearly that was my fault! :rolleyes:

    He could make more of an effort to denounce them.

    A former Klansman who even the NAACP has forgiven.
     
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    The tip of the Democratic spear that is political correctness has been blunted.

    Hate and racism is the perennial fall-back position that worked so well for so long when other rationale has fallen flat, it's presently akin to a Gatling gun's rotation long after the magazine's been exhausted. Or a person sensing an appendage long since amputated.
     
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    I didn't fully read your pondscum-copy-paste.

    Trump has no connection whatsoever to the KKK.
    He doesn't have to do ****.

    Hitlary has endorsed Klansmen - for political offices!!! Herself!!

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    Has she denounced them yet?
     
  21. vrDrew thread starter macrumors 65816

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    A delightfully mixed metaphor. Maybe I'm shooting spear tips out of my Gatling gun?

    PRSI is a strange place indeed. I post a story suggesting that Trump supporters are not idiots - and Trump supporters go out of their way to prove me wrong.
     
  22. APlotdevice macrumors 68040

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    You didn't read the NAACP link, so I'll post it here for you:
    "WASHINGTON, DC - The NAACP is saddened by the passing of United States Senator Robert Byrd. Byrd, the longest serving member of congress was first elected to the U.S. House from in 1952 and was elected Senator in 1958. Byrd passed away this morning at the age of 92.

    "Senator Byrd reflects the transformative power of this nation," stated NAACP President and CEO Benjamin Todd Jealous. "Senator Byrd went from being an active member of the KKK to a being a stalwart supporter of the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act and many other pieces of seminal legislation that advanced the civil rights and liberties of our country.

    "Senator Byrd came to consistently support the NAACP civil rights agenda, doing well on the NAACP Annual Civil Rights Report Card. He stood with us on many issues of crucial importance to our members from the reauthorization of the Voting Rights Act, the historic health care legislation of 2010 and his support for the Hate Crimes Prevention legislation," stated Hilary O. Shelton, Director of the NAACP Washington Bureau and Senior Vice President for Advocacy and Policy. "Senator Byrd was a master of the Senate Rules, and helped strategize passage of legislation that helped millions of Americans. He will be sorely missed."

    Founded in 1909, the NAACP is the nation's oldest and largest civil rights organization. Its members throughout the United States and the world are the premier advocates for civil rights in their communities, conducting voter mobilization and monitoring equal opportunity in the public and private sectors."

    In short, Byrd was a reformed man who more than made amends for his sins.
     
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    When all else fails, reliable ad hominem by vrDrew.

    It's another of the Left's means of explaining away a huge segment of the American population that the Left feels oh, so superior to, when in fact it reveals the Left has nothing of substance to explain it away, except for distortions and name calling.
     
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    Be careful, you're stepping all over @jkcerda's platitudes.
     
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    Honestly I used to have sympathy for Trump supporters. I bought the stereotype that Trump supporters were poor and uneducated, and were simply fooled by Trump's rhetoric and 'tell-it-like-it-is' personality (really? :confused:). I thought perhaps Trump supporters were afraid because of the way the economy is working against the 99.9%. I thought perhaps if they understood things a little more that they would find Sanders' candidacy attractive.

    Instead, the polls show that most Trump supporters are wealthier than average, white, and lacking a University education. This has changed my view. Trump supporters are not ignorant (if you don't know right from wrong after high school...) or downtrodden. They're trying to defend the fundamentally unfair system but attacking those one or two rungs down the ladder. They might not be at the top of that ladder, but fundamentally they are acting out of short-sighted self-defeating selfishness. They know perfectly well what they are doing.

    It is will interesting to see how the rest of the GOP reacts, for at least most of the Republicans I have met who oppose Trump are idealistic and believe that the GOP is best for the nation as a whole. I disagree with them, but at least they believe their policies would benefit everybody rather than focusing on 'what's in it for me?'.
     

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