Don't like what a city government is doing? Eradicate them, you're governer after all

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  1. chrmjenkins macrumors 603

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    http://www.neontommy.com/news/2011/04/fallen-city

    more article at source.


    The only thing scarier than state governments doing this is the shockingly low number of people that care and the lack of news coverage it is getting.
     
  2. mulo macrumors 68020

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    while scary this can become necessary. the good thing about it that with unions gone there is room to lower wages, making it possible for companies to start hiring more people. which in short gets the economy going again.
     
  3. chrmjenkins thread starter macrumors 603

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    Other than this being an egregious affront to basic worker rights, this plan has no chain of accountability or recourse for the local citizens affected by its enactment. It's a train wreck from top to bottom.
     
  4. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

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    minus the fact unions gone = lower wages = less money = less stuff bought

    Union being removed only help the mega rich and hurt everyone else.

    This economy in the the crapper thanks to BUSH. Taxes need to be raised to encourage companies to keep employees. Tax profits more.
    I would take them to court and have the law thrown out. Pretty sure it goes against multiple things and is unconstitutional.
     
  5. mcrain macrumors 68000

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    Why was Benton Harbor the first city to go? It's voters denied a developer the right to turn a park donated to the city into a golf course for a mega-dollar development.

    I'll find a cite in a bit.
     
  6. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

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    how much do you want to bet that the same developer is a major campaign donator (aka bribs) to the governor
     
  7. r0k macrumors 68040

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    I'm from Michigan and I know there was no reason to tie those draconian powers to the emergency financial manager. Gov. Slider oops I meant Snyder said the bill would help put measures in place to avoid ever needing an EFM but in fact what it does is disenfranchise voters and allow corporate takeover of local governments and outright nullification of collective bargaining.

    Unions? He doesn't like unions? If it wasn't for unions we would all be speaking Russian as our system would have fallen under the weight of greed.

    Google shirtwaist fire if you want to see the kind of protections companies put in place without "government interference" and "meddling unions." Of course you really don't have to go back that far. You can also google Massey Energy and BP to see the results of letting fiscal conservatives set up government regulation of companies doing dangerous work. Oh. And you could also google fukushima if you want to see the results of too cozy a relationship between business and government regulators. The government was rating that thing at a lower level than 3 Mile Island even after they found Plutonium outside the containment area. Sheesh. Granted, you can google chernobyl to see that athiest socialism doesn't do any better and in fact can do a lot worse but our choice isn't between socialism and no regulation at all. Surely we can find something in between that will work for us?
     
  8. zap2 macrumors 604

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    By just asking, you're suggesting that is the case, while at the same time, getting rid of any requirement to provide evidence, by not making it a statement.

    I'm going to assume that isn't the case until we see evidence, although I'd be interested(one way or another). Everything I'd read so far has mentioned nothing of that being the case(although a lack of evidence is not evidence, I'm just saying, I've yet to run across anything yet)

    As for the theory about this city being picked first relating to the governor working for a big corporation backed by any evidence?

    I'm not saying evidence like a tape of the corporation's board and the governor meeting together, but are there towns of similar size or of equal assets in MI with much worse finical situations then this one that were over looked? (Or any other reason that would make this town a BAD first choice logically speaking, despite it still being pick)

    That all said, I think the idea that any one "Emergency Financial Manager" being able to have so much power with the residents of the town having so little say is very very troublesome. I see the need for a state government to have the ability to pressure a city or town government that is spending in a 'reckless manner', but there are ways to allow that without giving away all the locals power.

    Imagine if the President could do this on a state level?!!!
     
  9. zap2 macrumors 604

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    Haha, that's a funny joke!

    Please tell me that was a joke correct?
     
  10. Joshuarocks macrumors 6502

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    I say let the system collapse and then we can start all over again and this time without the federal reserve, bernanke, and his horde of draconian fascists.
     
  11. ender land macrumors 6502a

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    I suppose this somewhat makes sense if a city government goes broke and can no longer pay its employees, to allow the state to interfere.

    Though I doubt this to be the case in this situation.
     
  12. Thomas Veil macrumors 68020

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    I think you're taking Rodimus's comment way too seriously. He isn't claiming to state a fact, only making an inference of likelihood based on prior experience. It's not like big money has never influenced legislation before. ;)

    The tea party nuts would be storming Washington with torches and pitchforks.

    And yet on this... (crickets chirping)

    Hmm.
     
  13. mrkramer macrumors 603

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    Well, one person running the city is small government, and that's what they claim to be going for.
     
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    Whirlpool is based in Benton Harbor, and happens to be a partner in the golf development. Benton Harbor is a town of abuot 10,000 people, 90% of which are African American. Across the water, is a town of about 10,000 people, about 90% of which are white, and make three times as much on average to Benton Harbor. The elected representative, Fred Upton, who drafted the EFM law, just happens to an heir to the whirlpool fortune.

    Here's a link to Maddow Blog - there are a bunch of stories elsewhere, but this is the only place I have found all the pieces put together.'

    Another source: Eclectablog

    Ok, I had some of the facts wrong, but rather than try to fix them, check out the second link. It's fascinating.
     
  15. Rt&Dzine macrumors 6502a

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    I agree. Unions were created when businesses had few or no regulations. Regulating businesses and corporations doesn't equal socialism.
     
  16. Thomas Veil macrumors 68020

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    Jesus H. Christ. :eek:

    Two things I love about this story. One, the attorney who's playing on both sides of the case (shades of Tom Delay and Jack Abramoff!); and two, the Machiavellian irony of rich people being able to drive Saugutuck Twp. into possible bankruptcy and a state takeover.

    Absolutely sickening.

    BTW, here's a link to the specific article, instead of the general blog.
     
  17. rdowns macrumors Penryn

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    Why would our media cover this? Trump is all they report on. :rolleyes:
     
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    "Hell hath no fury, like a developer scorned." - <blatant plagiarism>
     
  19. Macky-Mac macrumors 68030

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    your links seem to indicate that all of the park related shenanigans happened before the EFM law was passed.....basically that Benton Harbor was hoodwinked and screwed by its own elected officials.....and the argument is that they're supposed to be more accountable than an EFM? :eek:
     
  20. mcrain macrumors 68000

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    Lots of shenanigans happened before the EFM law was passed, but once the development started moving forward based on those shenanigans, the people and government of Benton Harbor discovered them, and began to move in order to stop the development.

    If you disband the government of Benton Harbor, then there is no one to object to the shenanigans.
     
  21. Macky-Mac macrumors 68030

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    From what I read at the various links, I don't think you're right about the timing of events.

    Yesterday (while procrastinating and avoiding work) I read that Benton Harbor was already under an EFM who had been appointed by the previous governor.
     
  22. mcrain macrumors 68000

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    They have financial problems, that does not mean the entire government should be disbanded so that a corporate right-wing schill can eliminate local governance and union contracts; not to mention allowing the transfer of a park that had been gifted to the residents of the city in perpetuity.

    I could have some details wrong, but the EFM, especially with the new illegal powers, isn't there anymore just because of the finances.
     
  23. Macky-Mac macrumors 68030

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    while there's certainly a legitimate question as to what to do when a community's government fails due to the corruption, malfeasance and mismanagement of local elected officials, keeping them in power doesn't seem to be the right answer.

    The fact remains that the EFM was appointed by the previous governor, who's a democrat whereas the current governor is a republican. In none of the links is there any indication that Benton Harbor has resolved it's fiscal problems or that the EFM was originally appointed for any reason other than those fiscal problems.

    If you want to make the argument that the law gives the EFM powers that it shouldn't, I would probably agree with you, but so far nobody has demonstrated that the EFM is in place to further facilitate the shenanigans related to the park
     
  24. mcrain macrumors 68000

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    If they already had an EFM appointed under the prior governor, then why appoint a NEW EFM unless it was so the new EFM was under your control and had the new powers...

    I doubt anyone has a smoking gun of the governor and developers corresponding about using an EFM, but watch what they do and draw your own conclusions. It's just way too fishy to ignore.
     
  25. Macky-Mac macrumors 68030

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    They didn't appoint a new one.

    As your links indicate, Joseph Harris is the EFM we're talking about, but the fact is he was appointed by the previous governor;

    link

    another from 2010

    michigan government report from back then

     

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