Dreamer's vs. The Wall

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  1. Herdfan macrumors 6502

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    Well, it seems that a Republican is finally going to stand up and try to force a compromise.

    Several stories I have read recently are all saying basically the same thing. If the Dems want the Dreamers protected, I want my wall. Seems like a fair compromise. And a bit ironic.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. tshrimp macrumors 6502

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    Agreed. It would be nice to see a compromise for a change. Dems get something, and the Reps get something.
     
  3. Rhonindk macrumors 68020

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    Would be nice to see something along the cooperation lines.
    I do have available hockey tickets: Demons vs. Devils :D
     
  4. blackfox macrumors 65816

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    Which Republican are you referring to?
    The wall may market well, but it is a giant waste of time and money.
     
  5. rdowns macrumors Penryn

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    The wall is a ridiculous and tremendously expensive plan. I don't think it ever gets built.
     
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    I would say that the Democrats should offer to have Congress authorize the wall contingent on Mexico authorizing the money to pay for it in exchange for continuing the DACA protections.
     
  7. Herdfan thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Trump.

    You know, it may very well be a huge waste of money. But in reality NEITHER party can say boo about wasteful spending, at least not with a straight face. But we really won't know how effective it will be unless at least a section is built. And I don't mean a mile, but maybe 50-100 miles in a known problem area. Then maybe reevaluate.

    Also, I would bet those who earn wages from building it won't think it is a waste of money.
     
  8. rdowns macrumors Penryn

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    The vast majority of people in this country illegally entered through one of our airports. The wall is a waste of time and money.
     
  9. blackfox macrumors 65816

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    oh, you could say the same about the ACA (if left alone).
     
  10. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    Mexico is going to pay for it.
     
  11. Martyimac macrumors 65816

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    And you know this how?
     
  12. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    Thats incorrect, newer influxes of people come from airports, the vast majority that currently live in the US jumped the southern border.
     
  13. BeeGood macrumors 68000

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    Honestly, I’m not sure if we wouldn’t be better off simply handing cash to these guys and telling them to do something else with their time.

    But I do like the compromise. And I definitely like the idea of building a small section first to see if it had any effect at all.
     
  14. blackfox macrumors 65816

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    I thought the vast majority of people who lived here were Americans.
     
  15. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    We are obviously talking about illegals here.
     
  16. BeeGood macrumors 68000

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    That doesn’t invalidate his point though.

    The wall isn’t going to keep our all those people that walked across the border years ago.
     
  17. blackfox macrumors 65816

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    So, the border wall would cost somewhere between $20-70 billion, with about $150 million/yr in maintenance. How much are those pesky Mexicans costing us coming in (in decreasing numbers)?
     
  18. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    It will prevent future occurrences of flooding over the border. Illegal immigration is a dynamic issue that must be attacked on multiple fronts.
     
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    And Congress should not appropriate any money for it until they agree to it. I’ll give you a hint, they won’t.
     
  20. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    I'm willing to bet more than $70 billion if there are 11+ million in the country. Irrelevant anyways though, Republicans want to secure the border so we can deal with the people currently living here. Democrats want to put off securing the border and Grant amnesty while a new problem that just happens to garner them more potential future votes is created.
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  21. blackfox macrumors 65816

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    I'd focus on internal rot. That's just me though...
     
  22. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    Personally I'd fine any business caught hiring illegals $100k an occurrence, problem would self solve.
     
  23. BeeGood macrumors 68000

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    That’s a much better solution than the wall.

    EDIT: The problem however, is that the federal government has actually made it illegal for a company to scrutinize someone’s documentation. So businesses can always plead ignorant.
     
  24. Rhonindk macrumors 68020

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    I do like the reply to the recent Cali style Sanctuary effort; (Reply)
     
  25. DrewDaHilp1 macrumors 6502a

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    No compromise. They already owe us for the Reagan compromise.
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