Drone used to kill suspect in USA, start of new trend.

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    In the tragedy in Dallas on July 7 (7/7/2016), a drone was used to kill one of the suspects in a sheltered area.

    Sure it was called a "Robot", specifically the bomb disposal robot, only this time it was carry a bomb with intent to kill.
    Here is another article about this.
    Drones that ply the skies over Iraq and Afghanistan are the same thing. Surveillance robots that were later armed with weapons.

    I can only see the use of Armed Domestic Robots/Drones being used in various situations, as in the Pulse Club in Orlando where the SWAT charged and shot him, but suffered a near fatality as the helmet of one officer stopped a bullet.

    I fully expect other agencies will now seriously consider using robots/drones in future standoffs.

    How soon before we see this?
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    Why the hell are people so up in arms about this?

    The shooter used a gun to kill and wound those officers. The pro gun people will point out, it's just a tool.

    The police used a drone to take out the shooter without any more casualties assaulting the guy (and lets just put it out there, he wasn't going to go down without a fight). And in this case, the drone is just a tool as well.

    Would the people who are upset about this been happier for the police to lose more guys in an assault to stop the shooter?
     
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    A number of scientists and commentators have already said we need to start thinking about this and having a conversation in society about what we want.

    It needs to start now but you can be sure the military is going to push back.
     
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    Checked twitter lately? Some would be.
     
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    I don't follow twatter to be honest.
     
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    What would be wrong with that?
     
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    We cross posted. We need to discuss how far we want to go and start to lay down something in law. AI is moving really fast.
     
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    I chose that picture very carefully.

    That robot from movie Robocop went out of control and killed someone.
    It also later was programed to kill the hero.

    What about some crackers (malicious hackers) able to take control of an armed drone and order it kill a target?
    Supposedly Iran was able to take control of one of our drones over Afghanistan.

    Or even the story Frankenstein.

    IOW, the chance the "tool" will attack the creator or an innocent.
     
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    Crackers?
     
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    Yep just read a post by a guy celebrating the sniper as a hero. Sad.
     
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    What is wrong with airplanes with no pilots?

    Aircraft had the capability to fly 100% automatically since 1992.
    They could taxi from the gate, follow orders to runway, take off, land taxi to gate.
    So would you want an airline to fire all its pilots?
     
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    Hackers/Crackers. read it up, it's interesting.
     
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    I'm OK with this being used in certain situations but rarely. If we can deliver an explosive by drone, we can deliver gas or something else to disable the attacker. The problem is our militarized police just loves using their toys.
     
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    malicious hackers, as hackers is actually meant for coders in general.
     
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    But that's the risk with any technology, although the fear of a crazy IA is new.
    There were no DUI crashes with horses...
     
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    Strawman much?
     
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    Now that you edited your original post, understood.
     
  18. PracticalMac thread starter macrumors 68030

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    AND that is another big point (should have mentioned), why not a few cans of tear gas, or glue gun, etc?
    Why explosive?
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    Because the robot was just a "deliverer". My understanding - correct me if I am wrong - is that they used the robot that disables bombs, not a robot designed to stop a living threat. They got creative.
     
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    Correct.
     
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    It only becomes an issue when the use of the drone takes the life of civilians. So called collateral damage, like we have with drone strikes over seas. If you send in a drone with a bomb, into a hostage situation, and it kills the perp and two of the hostages, is that a win. Would those hostages have survived if you sent in a human swat team?

    It's an easy call when you only take out the perp.
     
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    Yeah, and you remember how scary Johnny 5 was when he got angry? I don't wanna have to deal with that if I get pulled over for speeding.
     
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    Agree, but we are at the point where AI (IA?) can make use of technology.
    The idea in the Terminator movies is not impossible.

    The thing about flying drones is they cant refuel or rearm themselves (yet)
    But a roving land robot with a manipulator (arm + hand) could have the ability to do so (ie Terminator).

    This goes to the fundamental issues Issac Asimov wrote in this Robot books.

    Weapon using robots are reality, and it will only proliferate, and they will get more intelligent until one will go "wild".
    Not saying sentience, more like a wild animal trying to survive.
     

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