Each US Dr. spends $80,000 a year dealing with insurance companies

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  1. Ugg macrumors 68000

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    So, let's see how the capitalist only crowd defends this one.

    US doctors offices spend 10 times as much as their Canadian counterparts dealing with unnecessary and intentionally confusing paperwork. This is a good thing???
     
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    Obama care will drive that up as more of the new regulations start kicking in.
     
  3. IntelliUser macrumors 6502

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    Hopefully more doctors will start demanding universal health care as well then...
     
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    Costs will go down because there will be fewer gray areas. Birth control will be covered, no need for approval from insurance that's.

    As the article suggests though, what's needed is mandatory standard billing practices. The way it is now, the insurance companies use the confusion to pad their pockets. We also need to switch the system from pay for treatment to pay for result. The more tests, the more the doctor/hospital makes.
     
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    Not to mention insurance premiums and litigation. I realize mistakes can kill the patient, but philosophically I think it would be better if there was a more standardized approach and limits on litigation, not for the purpose of giving the doctor a blanket shield against lawsuits, but to streamline the process. I really do believe the U.S. is sue crazy. I don't like the freedom of suing anyone for anything.
     
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    Trend only getting worse as well. Red tape an easy way to keep driving up total costs, continuing to grow the snowball.
     
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    Easy, US medical care is no where near a truly free-market system. If it were, then overall prices would be falling just like free market out-of-pocket medical procedures like plastic surgery are dropping in cost
     
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    how about getting rid of insurance?

    suddenly if no one is paying their prices then you'll see prices drop ;)
     
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    Just get medical treatment insurance via a co-operative, not a for-profit corporation. All people contributing to your health are still paid, just not third-parties who contribute nothing.

    And people start dropping like flies. Welcome back to the Middle Ages. :)
     
  13. Lord Blackadder macrumors G5

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    Still waiting on that single-payer system...we need it badly.
     
  14. coupdetat macrumors 6502

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    Vermont should be transitioning to single-payer in 2014-ish. I wouldn't be surprised if other northeastern states followed suit, assuming it works. I was at one of the healthcare professional rallies in Montpelier, and it seems like there are plenty of doctors willing to practice in a single-payer system.
     
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    Wasn't birth control already covered for ~$10 co-pay in most cases?
     
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    I don't use it so I don't know:D

    I don't know if the doctor's visit for a birth control prescription is also gratis, but even $10 a month can be a lot for a teenager making minimum wage and working 20 hours a week.

    If this prevents even 1% of unplanned births, it will pay for itself in no time.
     
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    How is it not a free market system in the US?

    Thats not quite true either. Augmentative plastic surgery is cheap, restorative plastic surgery is still expensive.
     
  18. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

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    That does not change the fact that augmentation plastic surgery has gone down in price but things like restoration surgery has not but instead gone up.
     
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    He said plastic surgery, not anything specific. Restoration Surgery is still plastic surgery. The only difference is augmentation is a luxury market so strong competition is needed to survive. Restoration is (usually) not optional so Surgeons can charge what they feel like to a certain degree.
     
  20. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

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    it more we have seen elective surgery go down in price but required or very needed surgery has not gone down in price. It has more gone up in price.


    end of the day health care in my opinion is a right not something that only the rich can afford.
     
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    I'm a little confused. It seems like there should be some words there that aren't.


    I agree that essential health care should be a right. The Tax payer shouldn't have to pay for Self-conscious Sam to get breast enlargements.
     
  22. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

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    I will make it really simple for you

    Optional surgery price has gone down.

    Needed/required surgery price has stayed the same or gone up.
     
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    Yes, read my post and thats what I said in the first place. Read what the other guy said and see why I said what I said.
     
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    Under the NHS they aren't generally covered, this explains it fairly well - I fail to see why a public option in the US would be different...
     
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    I'm very interested to see how this works out for them.
     

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