Edward Snowden Wants To Come Home

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  1. Huntn, May 29, 2014
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    Edward Snowden Wants To Come Home

    Listening to this on TV today it's been pointed out that besides Snowden's concerns about civil liberties, he released huge amount of intelligence involving our adversaries around the world harming U.S. Intelligence efforts. As FBI Agent Sadusky told Benjamin Gates, "Ben, someone has to go to jail." ;) (National Treasure ref)
     
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    Edward Snowden can feel free to return at any time that he wishes. The government has a special place to keep him safe until his trial, after all he is a flight risk.
     
  3. APlotdevice macrumors 68040

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    A place which, in a sane world, would instead be occupied by those in charge of the NSA.
     
  4. MacNut macrumors Core

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    Why not start with the NSA heads. They are the ones that broke the law after all.
     
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    They did? What laws might those be?
     
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    Just the fourth amendment.
     
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    Well, besides those pesky amendments, there's the whole clearcut case of perjury to Congress….
     
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    I don't think we'll be seeing Eddy any time soon.....and it's not because he told us the NSA was keeping tabs on MacNut's phone calls, but because of things like telling Bibi and Angela that their phones were tapped :p
     
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    They only care if you are a major league pitcher that lies to congress.
     
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    That's disputed:



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    Data != Metadata

    Yes, it's weasel-y, but that was he meant by the testimony.

     
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    "Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?” Wyden asked.

    “No sir,” responded Clapper at the time. “Not wittingly"
     
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    Brilliant! Agree 100%
     
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    Actually, I just realize I'm making 2 different arguments about his testimony. Disregard the "metadata" argument from 2 or 3 posts up.
     
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    So when asked a direct question by those whom are supposed to be providing oversight HE gets to decide what grounds he'll answer on?

    That is runaway unaccountability to the core.
     
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    :thread over:
     
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    That was his interpretation of the question. Probably because it's *impossible* to not collect data on Americans when you're using an enormous dragnet.

    They just throw it away...of course, if they don't and decide to look at it, THEN it's illegal.
     
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    4th Amendment, lying under Oath to Congress to name a couple. It's not acceptable and Orwellian.
     
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    I would say Congress & the president should also be there.
     
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    It's illegal to collect it without a warrant. You can ask Judge Leon if you disagree.

    Are you an American Citizen?

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    Why isn't the conversation about whether or not it is OK for the US government to spy on US citizens illegally?

    Snowden is a whistle blower because he exposed that the government was violating the Constitution.

    He said last night doing the right thing is not always the legal thing.

    Was it legal for Gandhi to burn his ID card? Was it legal for Rosa Parks to sit in a seat when a white person wanted to ?

    Was it legal for John Hancock to sign the Declaration of Independence?
     
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    He should have moved forward under the whistle blower protections and faced the music (repercussions) to his career, taking his chances. That would be a thousand times better than being in exile in Russia, labeled a traitor by his country.

    And if his real concern was the NSA spying on Americans, how does releasing intelligence on other countries, info that clearly harmed U.S. intelligence efforts bolster his case? That was traitorous, there really is no other way to spin it. If he receives a "get out of jail" card I will be pissed.
     
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    That's inaccurate extremely misleading. The truth is it is the US government that is breaking the law. They are illegally spying on US citizens. All Edward Snowden did was bring this to our attention and expose these abuses.

    It is actually people in government that need to go to jail, not Edward Snowden.

    He is a REAL American Hero and true American patriot.

    He tried to go to officials in government but they said they will destroy him and to not ask anymore questions about it. That's very telling.

    Do you think our founding fathers were traitors too? I assume you must if you believe Snowden is a traitor because their actions are parallel.

    American wouldn't exist without our founding fathers.
     
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    you assume he would have made it to trial , Snowden gave the people the "transparency" that obama promised.
     
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    You are entitled to your opinion, but ask your Congressm and Senator and see what they think. There can be arguments that these actions are against the Constitution, but Congress as a whole has authorized them. And what is the Supreme Court have to say? So who is your beef really with?

    And as I said before, the info that Snowden released concerning other countries has nothing to do with American's civil liberties.
     
  24. dime21, May 29, 2014
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    Right. If this had happened under Bush, the *******s would all be blaming him for "Bush's Spying". But so long as B.O. is occupying the white house, it's the NSA Heads who went rogue and did this in secret on their own, completely unbeknownst to Obama. Right, because that's plausible. :rolleyes:
     
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    If you had asked the King, Queen, and all of the British Parliament in 1776 whether they thought it was legal for our founding fathers to sign the Declaration of Independence, they would have said no.

    So to say that Congress wouldn't agree with Snowden is irrelevant.

    The real question is whether or not it is OK for the US government to spy on US citizens illegally.
     

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