This really sucks. Last night I d/l'ed and installed the brand new update for 10.2. Everything went fine, or so it seemed. It forced the restart...and I got what I will refer to as the "grey startup screen of repeated death". This screen came up after a minute of watching the new apple startup icon, and all it said was that I needed to restart my computer. It seemed a little odd, so restarted again. And the screen came back. And again. And again. Again. Somehow last night I managed to get around it (it seemed to me that I booted off of a 10.0.3 CD) but then I shut the computer down, and this morning it is doing the same thing. The only thing that I seems to be able to do is to hold down the mouse button to eject cd's at startup. None of the other commands seem to work (bu I may have the wrong key pressed, I'm a little rusty). Can anyone here help me out? I was originally going to do a clean install for Jaguar, but not in this way . Apple is definately moving toward a MS style of "security" update, one that cripples your computer (let's just hope this is an isolated even).