Election 2016, Republicans have any hope?

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by PracticalMac, Sep 8, 2015.

  1. PracticalMac macrumors 68030

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    Gay marriage
    Legal canabis
    Immigrants
    Abortion (defend PP, and organization that helps millions of women annual but abortion is <5% of it)
    ACA (basically take away affordable HC for 15+ million people)
    Social Security (reduce)
    Climate change
    the Pope (criticized inequity and damage to environment)
    (Miss anything?)

    All that is accepted by majority of Americans more or less (with caveats)

    and that is not even including Trump.
     
  2. APlotdevice macrumors 68040

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    Well TBH what the majority thinks doesn't matter if you can't get them to the polls. And people are more likely to vote if they feel that they have a vested interest... Like if they believe that their religious beliefs are under attack.
     
  3. BoxerGT2.5 macrumors 68000

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    Peoples ability to work, live comfortably and keep government out of their lives supersedes just about all of those. The ACA needs massive change, but I get why is was passed. Doesn't matter how screwed up it is, if it can be made like SS and Medicare no one will be able to touch it.
     
  4. mrkramer macrumors 603

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    Unfortunately the Republicans probably have a good chance. Democratic voters seem to be less likely to come out, and many of the things you listed in the OP are things that will upset conservatives enough that they will come out and vote for someone even if they don't 100% agree with them. On the other hand the democrats don't have much in the way of good candidates Hillary isn't too great, and the email thing will continue to cause her problems, Sanders is too far left for most of the country, he has some good ideas, but he'll only appeal to the far left wing of the democrats so the middle will either stay home or go to the Republican candidate.

    That said the Democrats have a decent chance too and I'd say that at this point the election is a toss up.
     
  5. bradl macrumors 68040

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    Which is exactly why Huckabee and Cruz are acting like scavengers in Kentucky right now, with Davis released from jail. They are pandering on the mindset that it was HER 1A rights that were violated, and not her imposing her beliefs on others as a clerk of the State, violating those others' 1A rights.

    With that said, the people know that this isn't the midterms; this is the POTUS election, so knowing that that is up for grabs, people should get out to the polls, depending on if the candidates' vetting process isn't too harsh.

    BL.
     
  6. BoxerGT2.5 macrumors 68000

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    They are fringe candidates who won't be there this time next year, who really cares what they do.
     
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    Serious question for the Dems on the board. How can you guys get excited for the people running on your side? Like with Romney in 2012 was voting for a robot. I can see how Obama was voted in due to him being young and exciting. The 2 frontrunners for the left are the exact opposite of that.

    If the Dems lose in 2016 I'm guessing it will be because of small turnout.
     
  8. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    There's always hope.

    Sooner or later, they'll win again.
     
  9. DakotaGuy macrumors 68040

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    Actually a Kasich-Rubio ticket would be hard to beat. Ohio and Florida are in play at that point not to mention other states like Iowa, Colorado, Pennsylvania, etc. They could hold the Republicans and add a lot of independents and moderate to conservative Democrats to their column versus Hillary Clinton.

    If the GOP wants the White House Kasich-Rubio is the way to go. Of course I doubt those two half-way level headed candidates will ever get past the primary and the GOP will end up with someone like Trump who is unelectable in a General Election. Too bad because I'd love to see a real contest for the White House.
     
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    The only alternative to SS is no SS. ACA has real alternatives. The problem is we don't agree on which alternative is best:

    Left: going forward to single payer
    Right: going back to private only

    So we'll stick with the solution that costs the most and nobody likes!

    Great question. Positive elections are a thing of the past. 2016 will be directly negative:

    Left: who do you hate on the right and how much?
    Right: who do you on the left and how much?

    So Hillary doesn't have to be anything, just so long as she's not bush (an easy standard). Dems will turn out if Reps are scary enough.
     
  11. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    Obama demonstrated that charisma can get you votes. But Sanders is a true believer, and the most liberal, viable, Democratic candidate that I've seen since I began voting.
     
  12. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    America is clearly more liberal than its voters, you only have to look at how companies have behaved over things like the Confederate flag to see that.
     
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    Because except for the ACA none of the topics you mentioned are relevant topics that should decide an election.

    They are all topics demagogues and real-life-trolls use to excite stupid people.

    I also seriously doubt that there is a broad consensus even on those petty topics. I suspect you are projecting your own opinions onto everyone else.

    And last but not least the democratic party has not presented any reasonable candidate so far.
     
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    I wouldn't say that makes them "clearly more liberal." We now live in a weird call-out shaming culture... companies will do anything to avoid controversy from the loud peanut crowd.
     
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    Well it comes across as if most of the "call-out shaming" issues are liberal.

    Although to be fair there's less competition in conservative areas so companies may care less about upsetting them.
     
  16. Solomani macrumors 68030

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    Help me, Donald Trump-Kenobi, you're my only hope! Help me….

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    I agree, a Kasich-Rubio ticket would be tough to beat in the general election. The challenge for them is winning the GOP primary and weathering the storm of right-wing extremism in states like Iowa and New Hampshire that seem to favor the most unelectable fringe candidates.
     
  18. BoxerGT2.5, Sep 9, 2015
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    Who said anything about an alternative to Social Security? It needs to be overhauled, but no one is talking about dropping it.

    There are more than two choices, UHC or back to the status quo. Go look at the Swiss system.
     
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    Problem is no one in congress will go along with his hair brain ideas. How long has he been there? How many as he mustered enough support to get through and signed by a president?

    What's funny is the people who decide elections are the ones in the middle. Those people often have polar opposing views. They're the type that support legalizing weed but want lower taxes. They often have left wing and right wing views and very rarely align with an ideology down the line.
     
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    Agreed, both right wing and left wing ideologies are flawed. Unfortunately, only the extremists on both sides are the ones who get all the attention. Primarily because they propose these shortsighted solutions to very complex issues yet simple enough for the average layman to understand. Then they get elected to office and can't deliver on their promises because they were unrealistic to begin with.
     
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    Case in point, my FB feed has blown up with Vote for Bernie crap. Free healthcare, free education, 6 months paid maternity leave for mother and father, "Look at Denmark". OMG it would be utopia! "Feel the Bern"!!!!

    1. It's not "free", they have no clue what the taxes are in Denmark in order to pay for it (some of the highest in the world)
    2. No one calls Denmark when North and South Korea are ready to come to blows. Like it or not we are the worlds police.

    They're conflicted in the head and they don't even know it. These are the same people who want $15/hr for a kid to flip burgers but want to elect a man who will then take 40% of it.
     
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    Ummm, a Socialist President (e.g. Bernie) will likely demand a lot more than 40% in income tax. Many US middle-class wage earners are paying well over 30% now, and closer to 40% for some higher income brackets. (individual circumstances may vary since some people have big tax write shelters like a newly purchased home)
     
  23. PracticalMac thread starter macrumors 68030

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    This morning I heard Huckabee supporting Kim Davis,

    All that banter about "Rule of Law", and here he is encouraging others to break the law.

    Hypocrisy at its finest.
     
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    Bernie isn't realistic and Hilary tanked her campaign being a secretive elitist, so yes the republicans have a chance, and a pretty good one. The dems base isn't energized because they've had 8 years of Obama and their life didn't magically get better.

    Biden would have a real shot, but it's hard to put him in the game at this point.

    I just hope the next president is not a politician, I think Carsen has a pretty good chance or Fiorina, only issue will be foreign policy, but if he actually listens to his advisors he should be able to overcome his lack of experience. Tone down the hard right rhetoric a bit after the primaries and I think either one will be good.

    I still think Trump would be a disaster.
     
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    We've seen how bad things get in congress with all the tea party people with no experience. I hope we get someone who actually has some experience and knows what they are doing.
     

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