Elon Musk reveals the main reason he's trying to make as much money as possible

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  1. RootBeerMan macrumors 65816

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    Now this is what entrepreneurship is all about! I can get behind almost anyone who wants to create wealth and use it to get humanity off Earth and onto another planet, in an effort to preserve humanity from being destroyed. He deserves all the accolades he gets and all the help and support we cane give him. There is no-one else with the wherewithal, motivation, money and will that is willing to give it their all. Kudo's to Elon. I hope he can get my kids off this planet, someday.

    https://bigthink.com/paul-ratner/elon-musk-releases-plans-for-colonizing-mars-and-other-planets
     
  2. cube macrumors P6

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    I always thought his plan was to escape Earth.
     
  3. RootBeerMan thread starter macrumors 65816

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    It is. Along with more than a million other people.
     
  4. cube macrumors P6

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    Well, he would not be able to survive with a handful.
     
  5. LizKat macrumors 601

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    The piece you linked is over a year old... Musk's current plan is undoubtedly related mostly to trying to keep out from under the butterfly nets of the SEC, which likely takes a dim view of his having tweeted about incomplete but market-altering plans for his company's finances, sheesh.

    Nothing against your kids. But it's possible that human beings are not the best life form for exploring space with an eye to colonization elsewhere. It's possible we're a species that has to settle for making the most of what we have here on Earth for as long as we have it as a habitable planet. What's out there might not be for us, no matter how technologically innovative and enthusiastic we are about making the journeys.

    In the meantime I have nothing against space exploration. I can't get enough of reading about our unmanned exploration efforts.

    However, it seems somehow not right for us to hope to parlay our pretty imperfect ways of dealing with each other into great deals with other denizens of the universe.

    Leaving a suffering population behind us on an ever sickening Planet Earth while a self-appointed or competitively vetted crew of us bravely set off to find a place to start over... doesn't seem a convincing sell-in of a way of life that other planets and their inhabitants, if any, might allow us to impose elsewhere.

    There are a lot of arguments for unmanned space travel. Rationalizations of preparations to colonize another planet seem sketchier to me. What will eventually befall Earth at hands of the Sun will also befall all other planets in our solar system. What do we hope to gain for our species, really, inside this solar system?

    Beyond that "local" environment, so far, we have limited ability to gain deep knowledge about local life forms, if any. It's so like us to figure we'd be welcome elsewhere, or that we'd be the first to "set foot on" a planet of some other solar system. We could be quite wrong, and in making that error, hasten the demise of our own species here on Earth.

    If we take care of the place, we can last as long as the Sun does, barring a catastrophic connection with an asteroid or a hostile intrusion by extraterrestrials. Those events seem rather unlikely and possibly manageable in the case of the former, and very unlikely and probably fatal in case of the latter. We already know it's fairly hard to depart one's own planet in a solar system, so whoever manages to get here before we even realize "they" exist --and we've been looking-- has got the advantage over us to begin with.

    Maybe I should read more sci fi that's not dystopian, in order to catch up to people who share Musk's visions of a future unhampered by inconvenient remnants of our own species in its (presumably original and) ever less well cared for nest.
     
  6. Arran macrumors 601

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    The Earth isn't the problem.

    Sending humanity to the stars is just a change of scenery.
     
  7. LizKat macrumors 601

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    That is actually funnier than you may have intended it to be, considering Musk's personality. He probably does best, interactively speaking, with people who are not having to be around him all day and all night... so the more people around him, the better for everyone, if he's who's going to be running a show to export people to a new planetary home.

    Spread the wealth, Elon: distribute your attentions generously ;)

    Musk is probably best described as mercurial, a type that can be fun to hang out with... for awhile... and extremely annoying and unproductively disruptive at other times.
     
  8. RootBeerMan thread starter macrumors 65816

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    The age of the article is irrelevant, as Musk has not changed his plans. You don't have to go with the Mars colonists, there will still be plenty of room on Earth. We cannot afford to have all of our eggs in one planetary basket if we wish to survive, as a species. You really should give up the dystopian fiction, optimism is a much better way to view the future.
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    Earth isn't a problem. But it only takes one rock traveling at a high speed to end us as a species. Better to have a portion of our population off planet to insure that we actually have a future. There are many ways we could be rendered extinct, if we stay on Earth. At least this way we could spread out and put the odds in our favour. We're going to have to get off Earth just to be able to have the resources we need to continue to advance and survive.
     
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    I don't have a problem with that. I have a problem with him tweeting about incomplete deals, and so does his board.

    OK. so far I've only acquired two in that genre, and only read part of one! :D
     
  12. Krayzkat Suspended

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    I’m actually starting to see traits of Trump in how Musk acts. (Tweets, rants, even the weird stomping about the arena thing he was doing at last roadster reveal was like one of the debates when Hillary was speaking at Trump was just stomping about the arena - I’m PROBABLY wrong but Musk is a bit of a stereotypical James Bond baddie type person)

    Think I’ll stick to Earth and take my chances with a catastrophic space rock than end up trapped on a planet built specifically to worship someone’s ego.
     
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    Let’s get out of here, this place is trashed!
     
  14. A.Goldberg macrumors 68020

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    If this thread involves Musk it will surely result in a flame war.

    I agree, these “plans” of Musk have been around forever- build space ships for travel to mars (and its eventual colonization), as well as ultra-high speed intra-earth transportation. This is said to be possible by bringing down the cost or rocket technology by having reusable/refurbishable equipment.

    I think there are a lot of issues standing in the way of ever making this feasible. For one, the cost. I have trouble believing the systems will be as reusable as stated. After all, the Space Shuttle was designed to be a reusable craft with refurbashable engines... but that system never really worked out as expected. I once read it would have actually been cheaper for them to use disposble engines.

    The idea of intra-earth transport (ie London to LA in 30 min) is pretty unreasonable. Environmental and sound pollution will pretty much destroy those chances. For a rocket to launch with an acceptable level of noise it would need to be 100 miles from the nearest population center. That calls into question the convenience factor.

    Mars is a whole new set of challenges, particularly in dealing with radiation as self-sustainability. Just getting to mars poses severe radiation risks. The environment is harsh and demanding on any man made structures. Being able to be self sustainable when the planet lacks a lot of resources (or the ease of obtaining them- especially when you can’t easily walk outside and get them without suffocating and exposing yourself to high levels of radiation).

    As @LizKat mentioned I’m not sure moving from earth because we’re destroying it (or because it could be destroyed by a natural event) is the right answer. Again, I’m not convinced life on mars is self sustainable without Mother Earth. I think our time, money, and resources are better served addressing the problems we have here on earth- not creating a contingency plan (presumably for the ultra wealthy to escape to).

    Technical challenges can be overcome. It wasn’t long ago people believed space flight, or flight for that matter wasn’t possible. Musk is certainly a visionary, but his challenge seems to be ultimate execution and follow through.

    I don’t doubt electric cars will have a significant place in our future, but I think there is a very realistic possibility Tesla runs into some serious problems that will threaten its existence. Tesla’s financial situation is not great and this privitazation plan is a bit suspect and comes with s lot of potential problems. I must give a dig and note the irony of Musk’s professing big oil conspiracy theories only to then try to sell out to the Saudi Arabians.

    I’m not anti-EV or anti-Tesla, but it’s ignorant to overlook their challenges and the way they go covering them up. In a matter of a couple years Tesla won’t be the only electric vehicle players on the block. It’s not difficult for ICE manufacturers to build EV’s (most all have some experience here- building hybrids which are far more complicated). Tesla’s only real advantage is their charging network, which won’t be for long as most all other manufacturers have teamed up to offer a universal standard. In terms of technology, Tesla was light years ahead 5-6 years ago, but that’s all changing now too. For Tesla to stay on top they will need R&D money and from what I can see, their money is quickly running out.

    I can’t help but see Tesla’s viability being tied to SpaceX’s success. If the Tesla vision fizzles what doesn that mean for Musk’s reputation and SpaceX’s vision. All that said, worst case scenario I don’t see Tesla disappearing completely (perhaps unless their is illegal financial funny business going on in the baxkground)- again worst case scenario I see Tesla remaining a niche market selling high end EV’s and/or acting as a supplier of parts for other brands- and providing charging stations. Serving as the leading, mainstream affordable ($35k affordable not $60k affordable, while also building a quality car) EV manufacturer is a bit suspect in my head.

    But who knows, maybe they’ll prove me wrong.
     
  15. lostngone macrumors 65816

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    Xenu our lord and Master was able to transcend time AND space with DC-8s, certainly Elon can do it with his rockets.
     
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    Elon's wings might be clipped by his financiers. Then what. There is he is on the ledge like Icarus, but instead of wax wings melting, it's his balance sheet imploding.
     
  17. ThisBougieLife macrumors 68000

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    But he's such a douchebag tho :(

    If he does found a colony on another planet, I hope he doesn't have to be the Lord Emperor of it.
     
  18. vrDrew macrumors 65816

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    I wish more of the world's super-rich entrepreneurs would spend their time, energy, and money trying to make the world we currently live on more livable - and sustainable - for its inhabitants.

    Nothing against space exploration, but the sheer physical realties are such that the vast majority of humanity is bound to Earth. There is no plausible chemical or physical process that can lift the amount of mass required for large-scale interplanetary travel into orbit. The perils of interplanetary transit are such that it present risks far out of proportion to the potential rewards for all but the most intrepid explorers and pioneers. Flying to and living on Mars is a barely attainable dream for the 0.000000001%. The rest of us, our children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren will never leave the pleasant blue ball we call home.

    I have nothing against Elon Musk, and applaud his energy and vision. But as the recent rescue of the Thai schoolboys from a flooded cave so aptly demonstrated, there are certain problems that are better solved by the slow, methodical, and highly skilled work of specialists, rather than the random musings of Internet billionaires.
     
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    Yeah, he can take himself and the rest of his minions with him. Bye. The guy has never worked a day in his life and is basically just a "front-man" for the terrible and money-losing Tesla car company. They are propped up by taxpayer money and have been for a while. Total joke.

    But, sure go away, Elon. Wont be missed at all.
     
  20. arkitect macrumors 603

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    Reminds me of someone else on Twitter… if only I could remember… I'm sure the name will come to me… oh. Yeas.
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    Exactly.
     
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    If Musk was such an optimist, he'd be trying to fix the problems with the current planet instead of trying to get the f away.

    Electric cars were a great first step, now what about research into power plants that do not rely on coal/nuclear/oil but instead a clean, renewable energy? And cheap!

    I mean I have nothing against space exploration. But saying it's because we shouldn't put all our eggs in one basket is the opposite of optimism.
     
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    If they have a telephone sanitizer in the ranks they should be okay. I don't want mankind to end up like the Golgafrinchan.
     
  23. LizKat macrumors 601

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    LOL I've often thought we'll end up dying off because we tried to make our homes into the equivalent of the "clean rooms" used to assemble assorted tech stuff. Along comes some innocuous bit of dust off a honeybee's wing and BLAM everyone in the house is infected, by next day whoever rode that guy's subway car took it home and so forth. By the weekend they're bulldozing trenches to bury the bodies. By the end of the month they need more bulldozers but everyone who knew how to make them is dead...

    Anyway it's what let me stick a little magnet on the fridge that says

    Quilting forever, housework whenever
     
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    That particular motive is dire, but it's pretty optimistic to think we'll have vehicles finding habitable planets, and also vehicles capable of delivering people there.
     
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    SpaceX and Tesla may not last, but just like PayPal - they spur innovation into new, practical fields. We'll see how it goes.
     

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