Enough With The "Fascism" Already

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Mac'nCheese, Feb 16, 2013.

  1. Mac'nCheese macrumors 68030

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    It seems like everyday on this forum, someone compares something the USA gov't is doing or wants to do to fascism. Jesus H., people, I'm against the big soda ban in NYC as much as the next fat guy but I would hardly say that's fascism or leading us down the road to fascism. Telling companies how much MPG their cars/trucks have to get...FASCISM? Come on, there is a big difference between restrictions and laws and trying to protect people and the environment and fascism. Is common sense completely lost to people nowadays? Pretty sure all the fascist nations in the past started with something a lot more important than the size of their beverages.
     
  2. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    I don't mind.

    It relegates those people to the "crackpot" category.

    I'd rather they find a more rational approach, but what can you do?
     
  3. Technarchy macrumors 603

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    NYC is a toilet. I left when I was 28 and never looked back.
     
  4. Moyank24 macrumors 601

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    Every time someone in the US misuses the word fascism or socialism, they should get fined. It would go a long way towards helping our deficit.

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    This seems a bit off topic. :confused:
     
  5. LIVEFRMNYC macrumors 603

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    Fox News wouldn't survive that.
     
  6. classicaliberal macrumors regular

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    The veneer of society has proven throughout history to be exceedingly and unexpectedly thin. A populous so willing to give up freedom for security, often leads to one form of tyranny or another. Whether it's fascism, communism, totalitarianism, it doesn't matter.

    To suggest that those individuals in our society advocating for more freedom... that those standing square-shouldered against government's natural tendency for growth, advocating for more personal liberty, more freedom and free choice... are the problem... is bordering on lunacy, in my humble opinion.

    There are real things to fear in this world, real problems we face as a society... if you often find yourself on the opposite side of the argument from those advocating more freedom... it'd probably be worthwhile to seriously reconsider where your allegiances lie.

    "The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground." – Thomas Jefferson
     
  7. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    Mine certainly don't lie with people who spout "fascism!" at the drop of a hat.
     
  8. classicaliberal macrumors regular

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    And mine won't be with those who only defend liberties which they themselves value, or with those who claim a moral high-ground for providing 'security' which comes at the expense of freedom and prosperity.

    Sadly, we've fallen a long ways from the values this country was founded on - today, the average American cares little for liberty - instead focusing their desires on handouts, subsidies, grants, discounts, cheap entertainment, the veil of false security found through our defense and welfare budgets.

    "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin

    "Give me Liberty, or Give me Death!" -Patrick Henry
     
  9. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    That Ben Franklin quote was addressed in another thread.

    I don't think you know what he really meant when he said that.

    I'll see if I can find it again.

    Edit: here it is ...

     
  10. classicaliberal macrumors regular

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    I know quite well what he really meant - as does anyone with a general knowledge of basic english and American history. Benjamin Franklin's commitment to liberty is not in question.

    It wouldn't take more than a lazy man's Google search to understand these basic facts - and yet you (and your article's author seem bent on proving the unprovable).

    "Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, nor Liberty to purchase power." -An Historical Review of the Constitution and Government of Pennsylvania, 1759
     
  11. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    Waitaminnit.

    :confused:

    If anybody could understand what Franklin "really meant", why would you then say the author I quoted is "bent on proving the unprovable".

    It sounds to me as if you're contradicting yourself.
     
  12. Peace macrumors Core

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    Define "Virtue" and "Liberty" please.

    And my follow up would be do you think the united states government is a fascist government ?
     
  13. Moyank24 macrumors 601

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    And, yet, how many states voted to yes to gay marriage for the first time? This was a majority voting for the rights of a minority and they voted yes for something that would not effect them.

    There is hope. But to see that hope we have to give credit where it is due. Something that seems hard to do for some.
     
  14. NutsNGum macrumors 68030

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    A Giant Congressional Swear-jar.
     

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